Protesters pull down Confederate statue at old Durham County courthouse

Maybe we need those guns to protect the statues?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: IAMTAT

Again, another hysterical fail. Those are archeologically important sites that are thousands of years old and irreplaceable. This is a statue that was probably made in the last century, possibly the last 50-60 years, and of no archeological or particular historic significance.

Obviously, if they are destroyed they will not last thousands of years. Makes one wonder how much REAL history has been lost due to such destructions in the past. These statues are a work of art. I could live with them being museum pieces, but destruction without proper protocol for removal is chaos and extremely troubling.

a reply to: matafuchs

No one was arrested because the police chief is a black woman and a democrat. Let's call it what it is. She's a hypocrite based on her prejudices and inability to rise to the status of her office and enforce the law.

Here is some of her past before becoming Durham's police chief in 2016.

"Davis was demoted and then fired by the APD (Atlanta Police Department) in 2008, after an internal investigation found that she instructed detectives not to investigate the husband of an APD sergeant found to possess child pornography. A federal grand jury later indicted the man after APD took no action. Davis subsequently filed a gender discrimination complaint against the APD, accusing it of treating her differently than a male officer who was able to keep his job. Davis also appealed the decision to Atlanta's Civil Review Board, which overturned her termination on the grounds of "inconsistent testimony" by one of the detectives in the original investigation. She was then reinstated."

originally posted by: fiverx313
good on them, these kinds of monuments don't belong on government property. most of 'em were erected for purposes of intimidation, not 'celebrating our history'.

Intimidating who?

From the OP's link:

“People can be mobilized and people are angry and when enough people are angry, we don’t have to look to politicians to sit around in air conditions and do nothing when we can do things ourselves,” said Takiyah Thompson, a protester.

Oh, boy! These people are anarchists, plain and simple. If THEY don't approve, screw the gov't...legal or not, they will damn well do what they want to.

If law enforcement, politicians, and the courts allow this kind of behavior, then many many other groups will begin tearing down this country piece by piece. Remember what Madonna said about bombing the White House? Same thing. People like her feel justified because they are personally offended by something.

Things are coming to a head and people are not going to just sit idly by and watch people like Takiyah (there's a name for 'ya) do this kind of dirty deed.

a reply to: Grambler

Actually, I do agree with you on this point. This is not the way to go about it. These people don't have a right to take it upon themselves to destroy public property.

You are 100% right there and if they face charges, oh well for them. I cannot refute that at all.

While I also agree with you that using force to shutdown speech on a college campus is undeniably wrongheaded, illiberal and counter to the spirit of civil liberty and the free exchange of ideas, of which college campuses should be bastions — I don't agree that this statue toppling is a direct consequence of violent protesters shutting down speakers on college campuses.

It seems to me that in the worldview of many American conservatives, there is currently an epidemic of violent protesters shutting down speakers on college campuses. There are something like 5,000 colleges and universities in the United States. What is the actual instance of this occurring in 2017? Twice? When was the last time it happened? April?

So can we agree that it's not really an epidemic? Do you think that it gets brought up disproportionately in political debate?

originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Necrobile

originally posted by: Painterz
One was part of a vast racist assault on intellectualism, the other is the removal from public spaces of symbols of racism and division.

Nobody is denying the civil war happened. They're just saying now these statues attract crowds of nazis, it might be best to put them away out of sight.

Y'know, I'm a minority. My skin is brown. I've dealt with big city racism, as well as small town racism in my life. Even though I've never been to the south, if I ever did go, I would've actually liked to visit these monuments. Why?? Because they're part of our american history, be it good or bad.

Thanks to over-emotional people who can't do anything but hate, I can now no longer ever see this history. The people doing this destruction, as well as the people who agree with this destruction, are really no different than these people right here.

You will still be able to see all the confederate statues you want in museums. They just won't be in public spaces.

This makes it completely non comparable to isis.

Nobody is erasing history, despite the near hysterical claims of some people here.

What the HADES is a museum other than a "public space" ?
WTF ?

When the Greeks put up statues, they included all the good and evil characters.

If there's too many bad guy statues, add some good guys.

Quit trying to turn the world into a Wal-Mart parking lot.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: IAMTAT

Again, another hysterical fail. Those are archeologically important sites that are thousands of years old and irreplaceable. This is a statue that was probably made in the last century, possibly the last 50-60 years, and of no archeological or particular historic significance.

Obviously, if they are destroyed they will not last thousands of years. Makes one wonder how much REAL history has been lost due to such destructions in the past. These statues are a work of art. I could live with them being museum pieces, but destruction without proper protocol for removal is chaos and extremely troubling.

Unfortunately, the museums will also eventually experience their own round of 'PC cleansing'.

This is a GOOD thing!

The statues should never have been erected in the first place!

We are the UNITED States of America, we are THE UNION. The Union won the civil war.

The confederacy was a REBELLION. They were essentially DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.

Confederate generals killed thousands upon thousands of UNION soldiers.

The Union won. Thats it... period, end of story.

the Confederacy was as Un-Patriotic as you can get, they were against freedom and liberty and justice for all!

Why would we erect statues in the honor of terrorists and traitors?

Its fine keeping them in our history books, or putting them in museums, but why have statues and monuments in public display in their honor?

Does Germany have statues of Hitler?

No.. they dont...

How is this so hard to understand?

Well it wont need to be melted, crumpled on impact, too bad so sad.



& in other good news Texas A&M canceled Dick spencer & his nazi hatefest.
Then just for giggles the hotels in Washington wouldn't rent him a room so he had to do his song & dance at his crappy apt.
Still laughing about that LOL.

Name them & shame them, drive them back into what ever stinking hole they crawled out of.

K~

a reply to: theantediluvian

Actually, I do agree with you on this point. This is not the way to go about it. These people don't have a right to take it upon themselves to destroy public property. You are 100% right there and if they face charges, oh well for them. I cannot refute that at all.

As someone who puts out really neat history threads, I'm glad you made that a point to put out there. End of the day, this is about the unlawful removing of a public monument/history site. Should it be lawfully removed, I still wouldn't agree but there would remain an understanding.

a reply to: queenofswords

Things are coming to a head and people are not going to just sit idly by and watch people like Takiyah (there's a name for 'ya) do this kind of dirty deed.

Indeed, America looks like an ideal holiday destination at the moment, well if you like melting pots that is.

originally posted by: theantediluvian


It seems to me that in the worldview of many American conservatives, there is currently an epidemic of violent protesters shutting down speakers on college campuses. There are something like 5,000 colleges and universities in the United States. What is the actual instance of this occurring in 2017? Twice? When was the last time it happened? April?

So can we agree that it's not really an epidemic? Do you think that it gets brought up disproportionately in political debate?

Not a bad point, but I do wonder how many speakers and speeches have been shut down because they weren't allowed to be given in the first place. It's not just that something was scheduled, and then shut down, but it was shut down because it wasn't even allowed to be scheduled.

I wonder what this man would think? he was outraged about voting to remove a flag, I imagine he would be appalled by the forceable removement of these statues.




But ii guess his heritage must be destroyed too to appease people.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Grambler

I don't want to give in to mob either. I am just saying that if nobody is doing anything about it then what can we do?

Making sure kids coming out of high school are educated in civics would be a good start.

There are ways to get what they want. Non-violent, legal ways in fact. I don't think that's what they want though, no matter how they lie.

It's like a drug for many of the activists whether they be Left, Right or of any other persuasion. They get off on it and some get off on violence and would pick any cause du jour that would give them an excuse to riot or destroy property. They do it for the thrill and street cred with others like them.

a reply to: matafuchs

If you go back and look at some of my threads, you find that this has been called for a while and the same simpletons keep assuring me that "I'm the crazy one, and it would never happen". This is why you don't give an inch.

Here's another quote from the OP's article:

“It needs to be removed,” Loan Tran, an organizer, said earlier Monday.

Tran doesn’t want to see it anymore.

“When I see a Confederate statue in downtown Durham, or really anywhere, it fills me with a lot of rage and frustration,” she said.

There you have it, folks! Loan Tran (there's another name for 'ya) has decided that her anger justifies tearing down anything associated with the history of our country that may be offensive to her.

Wow! What if somebody is offended by a Martin Luther King, Jr. statue (can't think of any good reason...but, what if). Should they have the right to willy nilly tear it down?!

We are on a slippery slope and screw PC tap dancing and tippy toeing around all these angry little brats. They need to be taken to court for vandalism and pay the price in time and/or $$$$!!

a reply to: matafuchs

Could you imagine if a group of right wingers pulled down a statue of MLK? Saying all hell would break loose is putting it mildly.

a reply to: aethertek

That video makes me so sad.