North Korean torture victim, Otto Warmbier dies.

a reply to: ArchAngel_X

No kidding, it is tragic and wrong that he died, but.. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I cannot fathom why someone would visit a hostile state and them commit ANY kind of offence..especially knowing you will be under constant scrutiny.
Is it wrong to think this is a form of natural selection at work?

Make no mistake, I think this is sad and tragic..he did not deserve to die.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: SBMcG

This kid actually went to the same high school as me.

What a small world.

WOW! That's truly weird!

Like you say -- small world.

a reply to: Ameilia

if he was sick could have also been due to choking on his own vomit

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

Guess what?

That beats other options all to Hell, doesn't it? I'd really rather not see a war in the Korean Peninsula, one was enough, thanks.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: Darkphoenix77

he didnt deserve to die but he also shouldnt have gone to #ing north korea

Dennis Rodman seemed to consistently have a good time there during his multiple visits. Average people see that in the news and think it would be a fun place to visit.

then average people are #ing stupid
i see it in the news and dont think for an instant it would be a fun place

even if some moron does think that

im sure somewhere along the way you are told its not the tits
and if not im sure once you get there and are followed around you quickly get the hint you shouldnt # around

a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

The laws of the country you are in. Them's the facts, I'm sorry to say.

Litter in Singapore, get caned. Steal a political poster go to jail.

When you visit a foreign land, be aware that the rules may be just slightly different, and not in a kinder, gentler fashion, either.

Yes, it's a shame he died. My condolences to his family, and friends.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Darkphoenix77

Anything would have been better than basically just telling the family to pipe down and not make a big deal outta it.....seriously

Sigh. As I posted earlier, the Obama Administration demanded Otto's return and sent out clear statements that were pressuring NK. The day of his sentencing, Obama signed an EO, with a list of sanction on the NK government. He asked the family not to talk about their negotiations to the media.

And, as I said earlier, the only reason NK released him is because he was in a coma and dying. Not because of the Trump diplomacy and not because of Dennis Rodman. NK was happy to him back in a coma, sending a message to all Americans not # with them!

Trump is no winner here. North Korea is the winner here.

I'll agree to disagree, I would be willing to bet that the EO he signed had no teeth and was essentially pointless....only signed to try and get his family to not raise a stink. The bottom line is he accomplished nothing in regards to this issue. I would also argue that in the end there will be no winners here. If they were trying to send the message to "not F with us" they failed miserably ergo we are all losers.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Seems like a whingy thing to do in my opinion also.

omfg, ok how about my opinion of north Korea.

Lets bomb them already.

Stay on topic please. Thanks.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

The laws of the country you are in. Them's the facts, I'm sorry to say.

Litter in Singapore, get caned. Steal a political poster go to jail.

When you visit a foreign land, be aware that the rules may be just slightly different, and not in a kinder, gentler fashion, either.

Yes, it's a shame he died. My condolences to his family, and friends.

thats what i have been saying
when you are in another country you have to play by their rules

people know damn well the risk of going to north korea..
this is no secret

WARNING: This link to a forensic pathology site is fairly graphic -- there are several photos of hanging victims in the header, but it describes in detail the physical signs of "hanging".

Forensic Pathology Online

After reading this page, layman that I am, I seriously doubt Mr. Warmbier's condition was the result of a botched suicide-by-hanging.