This Just in- Russian tanks reported to be hurtling towards North korea!

a reply to: elysiumfire

Historically, sabre rattling at the US has brought North Korea bribes to sit down and be good in the form of food and money.

This time may very well be different, but until North Korea gets the idea that mommy and daddy aren't petting and indulging the tantrums anymore, it will get increasingly ugly.

For all our sakes, we hope Lil' Kim gets the idea sooner rather than later.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: elysiumfire

Historically, sabre rattling at the US has brought North Korea bribes to sit down and be good in the form of food and money.

This time may very well be different, but until North Korea gets the idea that mommy and daddy aren't petting and indulging the tantrums anymore, it will get increasingly ugly.

For all our sakes, we hope Lil' Kim gets the idea sooner rather than later.

For the worlds sake, I hope that US (the single biggest threat to world peace and prosperity) gets the idea to keep their politics, military and way of life within their own boarders sooner rather then later.

I smell a very complicated mostly covert invasion of North Korea from several nuclear powers.

Wouldn't that be awesome?!

One can dream.

a reply to: Velatropa24

When the madman with the nukes is pointing them at you and screaming that he'll use them, we'll see how sanguine you are about it.

We have done nothing to him. In fact, we gave him the nuclear power plants he used to figure out how to build his bombs because our leaders at the time were showing him good faith.

We have also continually forked over food and money every time he's made threats prior to this.

originally posted by: Darkblade71
I smell a very complicated mostly covert invasion of North Korea from several nuclear powers.

Wouldn't that be awesome?!

One can dream.

I've been thinking that was the subject of discussion over dinner at Mar-a-Lago. They can't do it as open cooperation, but if he really is mad, I am thinking no one wants that, not with nukes. If he didn't have the nukes, they'd just let him scream.

Tillerson was recently speaking to the Russians wasn't he, and the only press we got was all about how they did not agree on Syria. But, that doesn't even begin to cover what all else might have been discussed.

If China moves on North Korea with joint help to "stabilize" things, it might appease them with the sort of land grab they've been wanting without threatening Russia. You know that China has been threatening the "big empty" of Russia's flank? I don't think we really want China right next to South Korea, but it might be the price of near term stability in the region. China wants to make a move and will. This could be the least painful one for all involved.

a reply to: Darkblade71

No invasion. One sniper, one bullet. Surely somebody can figure out how to do that. Maybe Rodman will volunteer.

Hm, makes me wonder what Russia's angle is. Defense? Could be, sure. But the possibility of flipping could also be true What, if anything lately, has Russia gained of significant value or importance since the election thanks to that rich cabinet of ours? That would be well worth our politi-sleuths to look in to.
I wouldn't say Trump & Putin are BFFs, but rather, frenemies benefiting from each other as much as possible while it lasts. Milking it while the getting's good, if you will.
Thus, is this build-up an example of more frenemy carrot-dangling, or are they going to flip when SHTF & the stuff's just there to make moving other stuff quicker & easier?

I have a rather strong feeling it's the latter. Our buddy-buddy use has about run out, somebody got what they want behind closed doors already and the rest is just an ego-stroking ruse distraction.

Not saying I don't trust the Russian government, but . . . I don't trust the Russian government.

originally posted by: Darkblade71
I smell a very complicated mostly covert invasion of North Korea from several nuclear powers.

Wouldn't that be awesome?!

One can dream.

It's not exactly covert when everybody on the planet can read about it.

a reply to: Nyiah

I doubt you could have that large of a scale of movement in secrecy in this day and age which is why I say "mostly covert"

ketsuko:

Tillerson was recently speaking to the Russians wasn't he, and the only press we got was all about how they did not agree on Syria.

Why would Russia cooperate with the Americans at all? Considering the way the west is sticking it to Russia with regards to Syria, I see no reason why Russia would cooperate, I think it would be an audacious and hypocritical expectation. They might have done, but Trump has already overplayed his cards with that country.

Until we have firm confirmation of how many troops and military assets are being moved to Russia's border with North Korea, I doubt we can say too much on the subject. 175,00 Chinese troops and equipment moved to China's border with North Korea is far more than required for border control, but I have yet to see a true break down of what troops and equipment have been sent? The logistics for that is immense.

Yes, there have been talks with the Chinese, but I am sure they will be wary of Trump and his undiplomatic and amateurish way of reacting to things. Hawks in Trump's administration and within his military leadership will be salivating at the prospect of war, regardless of the consequence to the American people, the West, and the world in general.

Although our Prime Minister, Theresa May supported Trump's missile response in Syria (after the event), it has been stated that she might not support further missile attacks, which is understandable considering Trump ordered those strikes on the flimsiest of evidence and against UN convention and international law.

Personally, my conviction is that the world would be a better place if Kim Jong-un disappeared, but at what cost to the world is the question? Clearly, America cannot tolerate him getting working ICBM's to which small nukes can be attached and that can reach either America or Japan. I'm hoping that the missiles he already has working have not yet been fitted with nukes. The thought of Japan being nuked a second time just does not bear thinking about. The loss of Tokyo would be catastrophic for both the world's financial and economic markets, and I'm sure Both China and Russia understand the significance of that.

I think we have to wait until all the actors in the region have got their military assets in place and then wait and see what Kim Jong-un does next? Obviously, Trump is in no hurry as the carrier fleet had to finish training exercises before they headed towards North Korea.

The month of May might well turn out to be quite interesting. In the film 'Threads', May was the month when the nukes flew...is that art being prescient on life?

a reply to: Christosterone

I think there might be more commies in the US than in Russia these days.

a reply to: ketsuko

All the attitudes toward Kim changed after he had a relative assassinated in public in a foreign country,
Doesnt mean China and Russia are enemies now, but their tone changed notably.

The assassination was a very "bad guy in a kung fu movie" move. Except in those movies the bad guy doesnt have nukes and missiles.

a reply to: Christosterone

Well said my man of honor Christotosterone! Their should be no sympathy for the inferior race of communists poppulating the gene pool of earth. We must act swiftly. we must act deviscicevly. The time has come to end world communism weather it be in the granola state, portland oregon, washington state, new York city, MIT, Santa Fe (new mexico).

The communists have been ruling the MSM industry for far to long and now it must simply come to an end and you Christosterereon and Donald (President) Trump are the men to finally say enough and call a spade a spade and bury the evil hatchet of communism because we are Americans and Americans are not communists and if they are they should be locked up because AMERICA IS NOT ABOUT SUVERSION! AMERICA IS about FREEDOM. America is about LIBERTY. America is about VALUES and the little man the farmer the ploughshair.

So rise up with your pick axes and hammers! You rock and rollers! And holy rollers! All of you who work so hard. You full-time moms. You with the hands that rock the cradle. You all make the world go round, and now our cause is one.

Lets finally once n for all put an end to socialism!

Tanks dont really hurtle they kind of rumble and squeak.

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: vinifalou

IF it is confirmed they are amassing forces on the border, it is most likely to contain any potential chaos in the event the SHTF. That would be consistent with what China has done with their reported 150,000 troops on their border with NK.

Russia has no interest in invading. It is a defensive move.

Do you really think Russia and China will allow usa to do anything to NK. usa stupidity will affect both Russia and China, wich funnely enough life quite fine next to NK. They aint Iraq or Lybia. The times they changed from there

As I said the train was going home not to the front. Russia stated that it's fear mongering on social media and that they were headed home not to NK. Computers do not lie!!

China, SK, and maybe Russia (since they too border NK), infiltrate and take down Kimmy, then they extend their borders to take up all of NK. SK extends their borders north, China extends there's south and Russia west. NK will cease to exist. The deal with the US is we help but the agreement is Taiwan is no longer on China's list ever and those islands become tourist destinations, not military.

There is only one "safe", viable solution to the North Korea/Kim Jong problem:

What in Kim's mind would be an adequate substitute for nuclear weapons?

Put another way, what could be offered to the rulers of Saudi Arabia to convince them to stop producing oil?

Because as I see it, nuclear weapons are to Kim and NK what oil is to SA: a source of income (future income in the case of NK), A guarantee of sovereignty and security, and a cause if national pride.

You want to avoid a war?

Answer the question.

a reply to: Velatropa24

I wasn't born into capitalism kid, I know both unlike you. It's not from books or from a smartass lefty teacher. If Soviet union didn't collapsed I certainly wouldn't be chatting here with you. The chance is high I'd be dead or in a prison. No regime goes away without blood.
Think twice before throwing your country into the fire and chaos. Rather go help your comrades in Venezuela to try againg.

Edit: Communism is like Islam among political systems. Nothing else is allowed, no change, no progress. Don't be silly, it had to go long time ago.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: Velatropa24

I wasn't born into capitalism kid, I know both unlike you. It's not from books or from a smartass lefty teacher. If Soviet union didn't collapsed I certainly wouldn't be chatting here with you. The chance is high I'd be dead or in a prison. No regime goes away without blood.
Think twice before throwing your country into the fire and chaos. Rather go help your comrades in Venezuela to try againg.

Edit: Communism is like Islam among political systems. Nothing else is allowed, no change, no progress. Don't be silly, it had to go long time ago.

1) - never assume.
2) - if you know nothing, refrain from forming an opinion and especially voicing it. I stand by my comment that christosterone (the original person I was addressing) knows nothing about communist and is unable to comprehend it. Now I think the same about you.
4) you are not the one to decide weather something the magnitude of a world wide political movement has to go or stay, neither is it USA's call or business.
5) speaking of islam - the intollerance and constant need to eradicate other political systems world wide, and force others to live your way of life is more attributed to cqpitalism and especially USA's foreign policy. Go figure. Another example is people such as yourself, who worship capitalism and the american way of life (freedom of which being an illusion, but none the less, an illusion which is a widely percieved cornerstone of the above mentioned) saying things like "it has to go"... or "its time to put former present and future commies in the ground". Can you not see the hypocricy and double standards? How about practicing what you preach my freed friend?
6) as far as books and "lefty teacher" - a wise person can only learn. He can not be "taught". This is what's wrong with modern day education system. It's a well oiled process line to produce the mentally enslaved, such as yourself. Judging an ideology by a perverted version of it that some dictator practiced is also wrong. That is following.

a reply to: Velatropa24

the intollerance and constant need to eradicate other political systems world wide, and force others to live your way of life is more attributed to cqpitalism and especially USA's foreign policy.

Judging an ideology by a perverted version of it that some dictator practiced is also wrong.

(Apologies to everyone for using a meme, but this time I was literally at a loss for words.)

TheRedneck

Still not worried yet... as before concern elevating... but not time to worry, with China moving to the border... and the US threatening North Korea, they would be silly not to have assets in position to protect any interests in the area.

By interests I mean making sure all involved from china to the us to nk are kept from getting adventuresome in Russian territory.