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Satan Wasnt Thrown Out Of Heaven

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posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 04:25 AM
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...He Just Changed Departments

So "Satan" was dis-obeying God, and hurled from Heaven.

Then why is he incharge of punishing all those who dis-obey God? Would he not be discussing Gods falacies over breakfast, and planning to overtake Heaven?

But No, Satan just sits in his void, and lets the souls come in, so he can punish them for disobeying Gods rules. That makes absoloutly no sense. He is punishing people for sharing the same veiw as him.

Make sense, or non-sense to anyone else?

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posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 04:51 AM
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I wouldnt say punishing, exactly.

My thoughts are if he does exist, the myth/fairytale about him is he is the nagging voice in the back of your mind to do wrong. He is a tempter, he wants to tempt so he can punish humans who were given free will. Free will being the greatest gift God gave ever. The fallen Angels in particularly Lucifer was "jealous" that God decided to give his best gift away to mere humans, when Angels were his first creations. The Fallen Angels felt they were more deserving, and were in line first for all of God's blessings/gifts.

Does this make sense?

-ADHDsux4me



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 04:57 AM
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It makes sense ot me, but I still see it the other way.


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posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 05:38 AM
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Let me try to explain this. The Devil is evil. He was kicked out for disobeying God. He now runs hell. He loves to torture people so he makes us do bad things in this life so that we will be sent to hell and torture us. Then when the apocolypse happens he will gather all the souls he has taken and try to destroy God.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 05:39 AM
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He must have. I think god messed up things real bad and Satan was not the sort of angle to sit there and take it. He chose to stand up regardless of consequence.




posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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In most religion there is the antoganist and protagonist. GoodvsEvil. blah blah blah.

You can't have one without the other, so I see him on the same plane, as opposite, as god(the generic term for a creator.)

There can't be good without evil, so for God to destroy Satan would mean he would be destroying himself. That is if you believe that god is good, if you read the bible or talmud, you would know that this is not entirely true.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 06:28 AM
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There is no hell in the sense of "gods torture chamber"
The idea of sinners going to everlasting hellfire does not appear anywhere in the bible.
If you take jesus as your savior you get eternal life.
If you don't you just die.
The only refernce to hell in the bible is in revelations.
It says the devil will be cast into the lake of fire.
Not any of us.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 06:35 AM
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Satan was one of gods most beloved angels before the great war in heaven took place..........according to the bible.........so if this is true, then Satan wasnt such a bad angel. Man, one disagreement with God, and the humans label you as evil for eternity.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Satan was one of gods most beloved angels before the great war in heaven took place..........according to the bible.........so if this is true, then Satan wasnt such a bad angel. Man, one disagreement with God, and the humans label you as evil for eternity.



Ive thought the same thing...maybe he's been forgiven by now (since God is forgiving)...maybe Hell is just a lesser, almost secondary heaven...and the thing that makes it bad is the absence of God?.....The devil must have some good in him/her/it since he was once God's right hand man...for a LONG time...doing good...but who knows...



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Let me try to explain this. The Devil is evil. He was kicked out for disobeying God. He now runs hell. He loves to torture people so he makes us do bad things in this life so that we will be sent to hell and torture us. Then when the apocolypse happens he will gather all the souls he has taken and try to destroy God.

This is the Christian belief and isn't fact....it just what you believe, a belief system....we all the right to believe what we want to!



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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nothing in religion is fact...its all faith based stories trying to help people to lead decent lives...



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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No lady V hell is not a christian belief.
Some christians do believe in it, but as I said earlier the bible does not support the notion of hell.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by _BLiND_
...He Just Changed Departments

So "Satan" was dis-obeying God, and hurled from Heaven.

Then why is he incharge of punishing all those who dis-obey God? Would he not be discussing Gods falacies over breakfast, and planning to overtake Heaven?

But No, Satan just sits in his void, and lets the souls come in, so he can punish them for disobeying Gods rules. That makes absoloutly no sense. He is punishing people for sharing the same veiw as him.

Make sense, or non-sense to anyone else?

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Satan is not the punisher God is. Satan himself is judged to face the same thing as unbelivers. Satan means adversary, devil means accusser. Satan is not in hell with a red suit on. He is yet to be thrown into the pit. He'll be thrown in after the anti-christ and false prophet. God is the judge of the universe not satan. He is going to be judged just like us. This is why he tries to draw us away fron God, because misery loves company.

He doesn't want to suffer while humans enjoy paradise, so he draws as many people as possible. That's why I don't understand Satanist, They worship the mortal enemy of mankind. He don't love them, he loves the fact that they're willingly falling into his trap. He's a hunter, look in Genesis and read about Nimrod. The bible called him a mighty hunter, not a hunter of animals, a hunter of men's souls. So here we have a first glimpse of Satan incarnate. What the Anti-Christ will be like.

Satan wants to see the down fall of humanity just because God created us. He wants to be above God, and it pleases him to see his enemies creation fail, time and time again. He is an Angel that left his first estate, God's Holy Mountain, he was the cherub that covers the universe in God's glory. Ezekiel 28:13-19



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Let me try to explain this. The Devil is evil. He was kicked out for disobeying God. He now runs hell. He loves to torture people so he makes us do bad things in this life so that we will be sent to hell and torture us. Then when the apocolypse happens he will gather all the souls he has taken and try to destroy God.
Wrong. If you read the Scriptures it says that GOD created hell for the devil and his angels. Matt 25:41

Satan is an angel who has no power to create. He was once the Chief of angels, he still has some pull though, because in the bible when him and Michael argued over the body of Moses, even the mighty Michael wouldn't bring a railing accusation against him. In other words he still had a healthy respect for his once leader who fell.

Commercialism created the Satan that you see today with horn's, a tail, and a red suit. Just like it created the santa that we see today. Satan is a Spirit in a realm/dimension that we cannot see, but is all around us.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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Satan is doing god's work just as Jesus did? The stick and the carrot.

If any of it is true that is.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jonna
Satan is doing god's work just as Jesus did? The stick and the carrot.

If any of it is true that is.
Good question, would you mind elaberating on your theory. Are you coming from the two sides of the same coin angle or what?



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 10:08 AM
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my friend you are wrong...

satan is AS much a PRISONER in hell as the other SOULS are that are in hell...

i think it is in genesis that describes satan being "chained up" or "locked up" or "in a cage" or something...

IF satan had the job of punishing the evil souls, why would he PUNISH the EVIL souls???

satan (evil guy) would REWARD the EVIL souls for dis-obeying God while they were alive on earth...

satan has no power...





posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 10:09 AM
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posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by _BLiND_
...He Just Changed Departments

So "Satan" was dis-obeying God, and hurled from Heaven.

This is aprochrypal


Then why is he incharge of punishing all those who dis-obey God?

I thought he was merely a very powerful thing that had gotten in charge of some place that god has nothing to do with?


Would he not be discussing Gods falacies over breakfast, and planning to overtake Heaven?

Thre isn't anything in the apocryphal accounts that says he doesn't. Of course, the very idea is rather absurd.


But No, Satan just sits in his void, and lets the souls come in, so he can punish them for disobeying Gods rules.

Think of it like hes this really powerful monster angel, who is trapped there and can't get out or anything like that, so what else is he going to do?


That makes absoloutly no sense.

Its religion, it shouldn't be expected to make sense.


He is punishing people for sharing the same veiw as him.

No human has ever been able to challenge god, and people can be perfectly pious, but 'sin stained' and go to hell.


mwm1331
It says the devil will be cast into the lake of fire. Not any of us.

I thought the general plan was, people die, go to sheol/the grace, remain there until the second comming, are physically resurrected in body and mind and walk around the planet, are judged checked against the book of life, and, if not found in it, cast into 'the lake of fire', which i tend to read as 'ultimate destruction', as opposed to temporary destruction/supression of sheol/the grave?


Satan was one of gods most beloved angels before the great war in heaven took place..........according to the bible.........

I don't think that thats actually in the bible. Thats something popularized by Milton in his big poem 'Paradise Lost'. Satan as the ruler and center of hell is popularized in Dante's Inferno. These are all more 'paganistic' aspects of christianity.

[quite]Ioilluminusrex
Satan is not in hell with a red suit on. He is yet to be thrown into the pit. He'll be thrown in after the anti-christ and false prophet.
Who is satan in this more strictly biblical interpretation? Not the fount of evil right? He is the one who tempts christ in the wilderness, and is it the same as the 'morning star, sun of morning'? I'd be interested to hear the more literal interpretation. Where's he come from? The general public, even before christianity, pictures an evil powerful devil that tortures the dead and rules over them, whether its pluto or whatever, but whats this interpretations take?


That's why I don't understand Satanist, They worship the mortal enemy of mankind[/qote]
Apparently there are two types of satanists. Ones who actually worship the devil, as opposed to god, because they think that they will get something out of it, the other are people who set up 'satan' as a thing that represents everything that people misunderstand, they will say 'i am only calling myself a satanist to demonstrate for myself that you will hate me merely because i call myself that, not because I actually worship satan'.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Hailthekingoflights

Originally posted by Jonna
Satan is doing god's work just as Jesus did? The stick and the carrot.

If any of it is true that is.
Good question, would you mind elaberating on your theory. Are you coming from the two sides of the same coin angle or what?


Sure! Think about it like this. What if god is the system, Jesus is an example of what happens if you buy into the system and Satan is an example of what happens if you go against the system, against god. Punishment and praise just as a parent would do to get their kid to obey. It makes logical sense.

Note: That is not to say that I believe in god, Jesus or Satan, but rather that I see the logic and reason in the theory.



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