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originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
. . . fanatical feminists . . .
BTW, how many fanatical feminists do you know today?
A majority of them. Feminists in today's society (as in the current generation) has taken a GOOD thing and ran with it. When we needed feminism, it helped to heal our society. We have some of the best laws in the world when it comes to protecting women's rights.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
I find the genital discussion, when discussing trans people, part of the subject, not the full subject, but when discussing the person, and the discussion of the person is their activism in the trans community..its pretty relevant to discuss.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SaturnFX
I find the genital discussion, when discussing trans people, part of the subject, not the full subject, but when discussing the person, and the discussion of the person is their activism in the trans community..its pretty relevant to discuss.
Why?
They are a person. They are not their body parts.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
So are boys and girls not born with different sexual genitalia? I'm confused... I'm pretty sure we have different genetic makeup t determine our sex as human beings.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
does someone choosing to "identify" with another gender change that genetic predisposition?
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad
umm... I went to college in TX in the 80's because I was kind of sick of being shuffled into the restaurant/fast food industies.. told that I wasn't "qualified" for any office jobs even though I did alot of office type work as a library aide. so I went to college, got an associates degree in data procession thinking that I'd be at least able to get something outside of the restaurant area...which I hated. well, I started out applying for accounting clerks, ect and when I was still being told that I wasn't qualified I went applying for factory positions, which didn't work out either... my husband finally clued me in, as long as there was so many men out of work, the companies would take those men over the women, because well, the men had families to support, the women had men supporting families.. so I decided to increase the family size instead. really only wanted one child, but ended up with three.
and settled down to be a full time mom, since obviously that was what was expected of me from the texan society. I reentered the labor market when the kids were old enough to be in school for the most part and learned about the screen printing business. I watched men get hired, doing the same danged job that I was doing as a stand in till they hired someone for a higher wage than I was getting, screw the company over, and leave...just to be back at that job again standing too many times. not only could I do that job more efficiently than them, but I could run most of the machines, had one of the best attendance records even if I was limping around the shop at the end and was usually one of the last ones out of the shop because I also know quite a bit about the shipping aspect of it....
there is no way anyone is going to tell me that there isn't a wage gap or a bias towards women in the workforce. my experience just doesn't jive with it.
originally posted by: ReprobateRaccoon
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
So are boys and girls not born with different sexual genitalia? I'm confused... I'm pretty sure we have different genetic makeup t determine our sex as human beings.
Are you saying that who we are should be determined predominantly by genitalia? Genitalia governs sex, nothing more.
Since when has genetic disposition been a relevant factor?
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SaturnFX
I find the genital discussion, when discussing trans people, part of the subject, not the full subject, but when discussing the person, and the discussion of the person is their activism in the trans community..its pretty relevant to discuss.
Why?
They are a person. They are not their body parts.
originally posted by: dawnstar
there is no way anyone is going to tell me that there isn't a wage gap or a bias towards women in the workforce. my experience just doesn't jive with it.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
Consider what you are saying:
"I think we should pay women less, and hire just men anyhow because muahahahaha".
Companies pinch pennies, and I guarantee you that if you qualified for the positions, you would be hired in..but either you weren't qualified, or you were disliked as a individual. Companies build teams, and if you were disruptive, rude, etc..then yeah, they tend to overlook for someone they feel will fit the company better.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
People like Chanty Binx, for example are hurting society. They cannot control their tempers long enough and refuse to listen to reason or evidence.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
This is the point in the conversation where I stare slack jawed at my screen because you just asked if science is a relevant factor.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
THIS. If women were really being paid less than men, wouldn't any reasonable employer fire all the men and hire only women?
It's called an economical wage gap not some evil conspiracy to keep women unemployed. On average, women choose lesser paying jobs in healthcare fields, serving and teaching. On average women take more paid time off and sick days. On average women work less over time. On average, women take more leave time than men when having a new baby. Women make choices but that does not mean they are being held down.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
People like Chanty Binx, for example are hurting society. They cannot control their tempers long enough and refuse to listen to reason or evidence.
There are extremists in everything. I wouldn't listen to extremists on any subject.
People who follow extremists are themselves extremists.
You have any normal, intelligent, educated feminist you object to?
Thanks to her debut book, Wolf obtained instantaneous fame all over the world. She traveled, gave lectures, took part in discussions, and appeared on television. Her book was a best seller. In the public debate the anorexia statistics in her chapter “Hunger” were frequently talked about. The eating disorder figures were dramatically high: according to Wolf (1990), 20% of American female students suffered from anorexia and 60% from bulimia. Only small minority had no eating disorder! Her mortality figure—150,000 deaths from anorexia each year in the U.S.—caught the most attention in the media……. In 1994, professor in philosophy Christina Hoff Sommers—not an eating disorder expert—responded in her book Who Stole Feminism? (Sommers, 1994). She tracked down the mortality figure to the source. Wolf had cited a book by Brumberg, who had referred to a newsletter of the American Anorexia and Bulimia Association (AABA). Brumberg misquoted this newsletter, however: The AABA had referred to 150,000 sufferers (not fatalities) from anorexia nervosa.
originally posted by: ReprobateRaccoon
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
This is the point in the conversation where I stare slack jawed at my screen because you just asked if science is a relevant factor.
When you meet someone, what decides how you treat them? Do you demand to see their birth certificate to decide on what pronouns to use, or do you treat them as you do any other person? Their genetics, i.e. "science," doesn't matter to me. I don't care what they look like. I don't care what their sex designation was 30 years ago. I care about how they treat others today, because I'm dealing with them as they are today.
If you require private medical "facts" to determine how to treat others, you're the risk, not them.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
THIS. If women were really being paid less than men, wouldn't any reasonable employer fire all the men and hire only women?
It's called an economical wage gap not some evil conspiracy to keep women unemployed. On average, women choose lesser paying jobs in healthcare fields, serving and teaching. On average women take more paid time off and sick days. On average women work less over time. On average, women take more leave time than men when having a new baby. Women make choices but that does not mean they are being held down.
You seem extremely hostile and out of touch with many women. Do you have a copy of your medical records around to prove your genetics?
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
.... does someone choosing to "identify" with another gender change that genetic predisposition?