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originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
If we are to be "breaking down societal norms" then what would they transition to?
Enter Dakota...
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad
And there is a stigma if you announce yourself as a stay at home. People either pity you or think you are being selfish or lazy unless you run in certain circles.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
a reply to: onequestion
YES! And people who want us to accept their notion of the new norm but not the facts that prevail. As male and female everything about us is different. Our bone structure, our genetic makeup... everything. We all have estrogen and testosterone inside of us and we all have a different balance of those chemicals but that does not change the genetic makeup we are born with.
Taking the entire breadth of the findings uncovered by my research, it appears that there is more than sufficient evidence that transgender persons either have a serious hormonal-based birth defect, have been exposed to exogenous chemicals which have impacted their gender development in the womb, have a genetic karyotype which differs from the general population, or via some other process have a brain structure which is different than would be indicated by their chromosomes. While no single study presents proof beyond any shadow of a doubt or with metaphysical certainty, taken together they do present a preponderance of evidence such that one can say with confidence that transgender individuals have a congenital gene-based difference from cissexual individuals. Link
When we try to change that forcibly it becomes an issue. Why do you think that there is a rise in suicide among the transgender population? Because it is acceptable (as it should be) to allow them to make the transition fully, not just play dress up. When they have foreign chemicals invading their bodies, there are obvious emotional and mental consequences.
RESULTS: Transgender children showed no elevations in depression and slightly elevated anxiety relative to population averages. They did not differ from the control groups on depression symptoms and had only marginally higher anxiety symptoms.
general population rates for suicidality are around 1.6% in the United States. Then they note that suicidality rates for post-SRS transsexual people are about 4.1%. They then claim that since this is “hundreds of percent higher” that surgery does not work.
But let’s talk about the reality. What is that reality? It is that the pre-op/non-op suicidality rate for transsexuals is 41%!!!
Yep, that’s right. Pre-op rates of suicidality for transsexuals are 1000% higher than post-op rates
It's very basic logic that is being blatantly ignored by the liberalist community.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you say about the trans population. They recognize gender roles and want to conform to those roles which is why the third-wave feminist "solidarity" with their cause makes no sense to me. If we are to be "breaking down societal norms" then what would they transition to?
The purpose of the current study was to examine facilitative and avoidant coping as mediators between distress and transition status, social support, and loss. Method: A total of 351 transgender individuals (n = 226 transgender women and n = 125 transgender men) participated in this study. Participants completed measures on transgender identity, family history of mental health concerns, perceptions of loss, coping, depression, and anxiety. Results: The rates of depressive symptoms (51.4% for transgender women; 48.3% for transgender men) and anxiety (40.4% for transgender women; 47.5% for transgender men) within the current study far surpass the rates of those for the general population. Structural equation modeling (SEM) was used to analyze the data—2 separate models were hypothesized, based on reports of anxiety or depression. The SEM results suggest that the processes for transgender women and transgender men are primarily similar for depression and anxiety; avoidant coping served as a mediator between transition status and both distress variables. Social support was directly related to distress variables, as well as indirectly related through avoidant coping. Conclusion: Results suggest the need for practitioners to focus on interventions that reduce avoidant coping strategies, while simultaneously increasing social support, in order to improve mental health for transgender individuals. Individuals who are in the beginning stages of their transition will use different coping strategies than those who are in later stages; interventions should be adjusted on the basis of the transition status of transgender clients. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2014 APA, all rights reserved)
Depression is the leading mental health issue faced by transgender persons. However, unless a client or reader's depression has progressed to crisis proportions it is the subject I am least likely to receive questions about. Depression is also the leading mental health issue faced by those who do not have a transgender-identity. With this knowledge it should be clearly understood that when transgender persons are depressed, it does not mean that having a transgender-identity or fulfilling one's cross-dressing needs is pathological, mentally disordered or medically diseased.
'Minority stress theory' proposes that the health disparities among sexual minorities can be explained to a large extent by stressors induced by a hostile and homophobic culture, which often results in a lifetime of harassment, maltreatment, discrimination and victimization and may ultimately impact access to care. Underlying the concept of minority stress are assumptions that stressors are unique (not experienced by other populations), chronic (related to social and cultural structures) and socially-based (embedded within institutions and structures as well as processes).
The third wave of feminism emerged in the mid-1990s. It was led by so-called Generation Xers who, born in the 1960s and ’70s in the developed world, came of age in a media-saturated and culturally and economically diverse milieu. Although they benefitted significantly from the legal rights and protections that had been obtained by first- and second-wave feminists, they also critiqued the positions and what they felt was unfinished work of second-wave feminism.
If your avatar is you, you certainly seem to be stereotypically reinforcing traditional gender roles with your presentation, dress, hair, cosmetics etc. You certainly seem to conform to the roles your third-wavers decry as misogynistic, belittling and oppressive. Don't go insinuating that "trans populations" are co-opting a particular gender role that you yourself are married to unless you want to subject yourself to the same limiting criticisms.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
If we are to be "breaking down societal norms" then what would they transition to?
Enter Dakota...
So, can I like both of them?
Each for who they are.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
If we are to be "breaking down societal norms" then what would they transition to?
Enter Dakota...
So, can I like both of them?
Each for who they are.
You are free to like whoever you want
Each for who they are
...
but only 1 of them even knows what they are
Personally I dont like people who tell me to go f myself if I dont see them as a walrus or whatever they decide they want to pretend to be. I can accept trans. sure. I can accept eccentric..they make the world a fun place. I dont accept fem/fer/zim/zir/bim/bir made up bs. we are a sexually dimorphic species with some gray area, some crossovers..we aren't all the things all at once.
Dakota may be a swell guy in person..but chances are probably not..he sounds like the guy that would be correcting you every time you say almost everything and demanding your mentality is inherently aggressive because you speak in traditional gender norm ideals.
..
But sure. enjoy. just showing a contrast between a trans woman, and a "gender terrorist"...one being happy, logical, thoughtful, and the other being just a ball of frustration and anger wrapped up in a safety pin.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
The topic is about gender roles throughout history and how they have effects on the population today...And by creating "new" genders it creates the same stress of taking out our gender roles.
You know, when everyone had a place and was important, before everyone became self centered and special snowflakes.
originally posted by: Annee
Did you live in the 50s when roles were still pretty much defined?
I did. It sucked.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
If we are to be "breaking down societal norms" then what would they transition to?
Enter Dakota...
So, can I like both of them?
Each for who they are.
You are free to like whoever you want
Each for who they are
...
but only 1 of them even knows what they are
Personally I dont like people who tell me to go f myself if I dont see them as a walrus or whatever they decide they want to pretend to be. I can accept trans. sure. I can accept eccentric..they make the world a fun place. I dont accept fem/fer/zim/zir/bim/bir made up bs. we are a sexually dimorphic species with some gray area, some crossovers..we aren't all the things all at once.
Dakota may be a swell guy in person..but chances are probably not..he sounds like the guy that would be correcting you every time you say almost everything and demanding your mentality is inherently aggressive because you speak in traditional gender norm ideals.
..
But sure. enjoy. just showing a contrast between a trans woman, and a "gender terrorist"...one being happy, logical, thoughtful, and the other being just a ball of frustration and anger wrapped up in a safety pin.
originally posted by: Freija
you may want to consider that TRANSgender people aren't the ones "creating new genders" and I think if you looked more closely or had any actual experience with transgender people, you would find that most fit quite nicely into your comfortable binary and traditional roles.
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
a reply to: Annee
And then there was a justified cause for concern.
In modern day society, there are myths spun up by fanatical feminists that simply aren't true in order to perpetuate that there is some intangible problem that needs fixing.
We are lucky to live in a time where we have freedoms and rights and laws to protect us... the problem lies when 1) feminists seek to destroy "gender norms" as if they are something completely fictitious (they are not) and 2) blatant statistic data, economical peer studies and facts are presented but all everyone wants to do is shout louder and undermine the people who are working towards a true equality, not just " i am being oppressed, waaaaaaah listen to me."
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
. . . fanatical feminists . . .