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originally posted by: SaturnFX
Dont confuse the two though, todays discussion on gender norms, smashing gender ideas is not the same argument. Trans people are the most at odds with these gender fluid / gender is just a society construct types. Society norms may be. gender is not.
originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: SaturnFX
I think yet another Blaire White video addresses what you are talking about.
originally posted by: Annee
Their brain gender and body are at odds - - that's all.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Annee
Their brain gender and body are at odds - - that's all.
...Sort of...incorrect.
a trans person is..transitioning..its in the name
they are actively participating in the changing of their biological sex from one to the other..trans..transition
originally posted by: SaturnFX
Basically Blaire is my source for trans understanding.
I know everyone is different, but I tend to view her as someone transitioning / transitioned (I...think..she is post-op) from one gender to another.
a trans person is..transitioning..its in the name
they are actively participating in the changing of their biological sex from one to the other..trans..transition
If they are simply a super feminine man, then thats all they are, a super masculine female, thats all they are also.
Thats why I dont really recognise people who simply cross dress with absolutely no plan on transitioning in the same context. transvestites are nottranssexualstransgender,
they are often just playing a role that may be the result of some simple childhood issues with their mother/father and some therapy can in fact "cure" them.
In saying that, there are a number of transsexuals who also aren't actual "wrong gendered" but just dealing with some mental issues..often they find out after they went through costly surgery that it was a mistake, they needed a therapist, not a surgeon. (you can see their youtube vids discussing it)
Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).
I think its important for anyone with gender identity crisis to simply go seek a therapist..especially before any surgery..make sure its not a simple issue of confusion and hidden trauma.
But yeah, transsexualism more than just a different mindset..its a goal actively being persued.
originally posted by: Freija
originally posted by: SaturnFX
Basically Blaire is my source for trans understanding.
Certainly not your only source, I hope? She's somewhat fringe and being an anti-feminist men's rights activist her shtick.
Why is it okay or necessary to conjecture about a person's history or their genital status? She states clearly she is trans and is obviously well beyond the point of transitioning.
Thinking or talking about a woman's genitals is pretty crass and reductive.
If you do think that's okay, then that opens up the table to talking about your wife/sister/mother's crotch as well and as you can maybe see, that's less than couth or cool.
Some transgender people don't even transition socially or medically. Some take hormones or have gender confirming surgeries to facilitate life in their new roles. A few, less than about one third will also have sex reassignment surgery but this is not even the end goal for most nor should it be assumed to be.
You're right. That's what they are. That does not describe being transgender.
Not sure what it is that you "don't recognize" but these people do exist.
I am saying to seek therapy before being sliced and diced. trans suicide is high, plenty of people regretting their decisions, they should have seeked therapy initially to see if their confusion is real
Thank you for your psychological evaluation and clinical diagnosis, Doctor. "Cure them" of what? Not being like you? Are you suggesting being trans or gender variant or gay can be prayed away with reparative therapy?
You know that's illegal in several states and several legal and medical organizations are suggesting conversion therapy be outlawed nationwide.
There outliers and exceptions in any demographic. Yeah, you can find stories of some unhappy campers. Even if you could find 1,000 it wouldn't phase me because there's a 100,000 or more transgender folks that have transitioned that feel the complete opposite and live happy, healthy and normal lives.
Maybe you missed my link? Myths About Transition Regrets
If your avatar is you, you certainly seem to be stereotypically reinforcing traditional gender roles with your presentation, dress, hair, cosmetics etc. You certainly seem to conform to the roles your third-wavers decry as misogynistic, belittling and oppressive. Don't go insinuating that "trans populations" are co-opting a particular gender role that you yourself are married to unless you want to subject yourself to the same limiting criticisms.
1. It hurt marriage. Women want to wait so that they can keep their identities longer and men are finding easy sex, taking away a big reason for marriage.
2. Undermines child rearing. More kids are in childcare where discipline is lax resulting in a "epidemic" of bad kids, childhood obesity, and bullies.
3. Two-income trap. With both husband and wife working it's hard to live without life's luxuries.
4. Undermines college sports. Title IX has ended many male-only sports at some colleges.
5. Emasculates men. It's better to be a wuss than speak up or mouth off and face charges of harassment or chauvinism.
Is feminism destroying the institution of marriage?
There is a simultaneous boom in women seeking divorces because their husbands aren't doing enough chores and because their husbands do all the chores. What is a man to do, asks Martin Daubney
Feminism has obliterated the family First off I would like to point out the feminism manifests itself in ways that are opposite to how the female brain in hardwired to interact with the world. For example, in relationships it is said the women have to become unattainable, a prize to be won if you will. When they do this they try to be ambitious and create a life for themselves without men, and when a decent man comes along, they refuse to relinquish their power over to him. While women may feel empowered by behaving this way they will naturally try to keep chasing the high of wanting more power, but at what expesnse?
originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad
Maybe you read the things you linked from your quick Google search but I think you failed to recognize or understand the sources of these measurable levels of depression and anxiety. Being transgender is hard. Duh.
Because "transgender" is a nebulous umbrella term encompassing many multi-faceted things, you may want to consider that TRANSgender people aren't the ones "creating new genders" and I think if you looked more closely or had any actual experience with transgender people, you would find that most fit quite nicely into your comfortable binary and traditional roles.
It seems the ones so damn worried that the sky is falling are the ones suffering from snowflakeism? How about we stop tossing pejorative labels around and just try to all get along?
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Annee
Did you live in the 50s when roles were still pretty much defined?
I did. It sucked.
You are discussing society norms, which I agree is lame overall. the women as default thought of as the maid while the man is meant to be the hard worker. women must learn to be pleasant and non opinionated, men to be not interested in almost anything women are interested in, etc.
Those aren't gender norms, those are societal norms from a relic era of women suppression.
The 50s adults were raised by parents that got their ideas from pre-womans liberation movements.
Dont confuse the two though, todays discussion on gender norms, smashing gender ideas is not the same argument. Trans people are the most at odds with these gender fluid / gender is just a society construct types. Society norms may be. gender is not.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
. . . fanatical feminists . . .
BTW, how many fanatical feminists do you know today?