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Originally posted by rayzor11
Should there be a safety net? YES...but should we throw endless money at a problem to see if it sticks? NO ...the welfare system was abused, and still is...throwing more money at people gives no incentive to change their situation...its human nature
Originally posted by sardion2000
Your post contained little in the form of any substance and you conviently ignore evidence(in every conversation we have had thus far) that doesn't fit your world view.
You say you have a degree in economics from Waterloo(highly doubtful because at University they at least "try" to teach you to attack all sides of a problem and not to conviently ignore things that doesn't suit you personally, did you take Political Science too You sound like Harper/Harris/MulRony all rolled into one)
and even if you are telling the truth that proves the Silver Spoon remark right there ) but from what little you have said you have not convinced me of that.
You seem upset? Did I hit a nerve or somthing? OK BIG Economics degree "man", answer me this question. How does US Softwood Tariffs(and in turn Canadian subisdies) fit in with Free Trade as it seems to me there is no free trade there. What about our massive subsidies to Bombardier? What about the USA's farming subsidies and ours to boot?
How bout the artificial devaulation of the USD which is definately hurting our exports and entertainment industry, how is that Free Trade.
It isn't its plain old protectionism(and We have to respond in kind creates a more self-reliant and decentralized economy which also has the side benefit of being less vulnerable to terror attacks), all NAFTA has done is give the US economic leverage over us, and it may not be strangling us...yet but just wait the decline in the USD has just begun. Really the only thing we can count on the Americans to honor the "free" trade agreement is Oil trade and thats cuz they wanna get off of Saudi Oil "bud"
SO TELL ME WHERE IS THE FREE TRADE GONNA START IM STILL WAITING! The only people I know who have made money off of free trade are those actively participating in the Markets or who were lucky enough to ride the Infotech wave. Basically People like me. If it wasn't for Oil, Ontario, Quebec our growth rate would be negative, plain and simple. Beware the double-edged sword, the Americans will learn as the process is starting to shift towards the Pacific Rim countries. Now when that is finished and all is said and done and if you are still posting on ATS then I will be the first to say "I Told ya so
" You think it will benefit us? What about the massive unemployment in the East Coast that is mostly the fault of NAFTA. Is that just a statistic to you Mr. "Economist".
the guys at work would tear you a new one if you spewed that crap on the trading floor(yup No long independant got a nice job at TD Waterhouse) Actually you'd probably be fired for falsifying your education.
Well Razor I hope that fancy "degree" will give you comfort, there is already a movement to pull out of NAFTA led mostly by Mexico which Canada shares alot of the same grievances with the USA. If ya want me to list them I can do so..later I'm tired right now. I highly doubt you will win btw, even the American Conservatives will admit they got a sweet deal with NAFTA. They rolled all over our "embassador" ... more like Traitor, wonder how much they promised him....
Originally posted by djohnsto77
This site supports all of Canada becoming part of the U.S
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Originally posted by michboisnard
here in quebec we don't really care about the rest of the canada
we wanna seperate to...we almost done it in 1995 but lost by 2 percent
or something like that....anyway all we want to do is to be recognized like a distinct nation apart of the rest of the canada
anyway we are french, we have completly other values, we don't support any war, we don't want no gun, don't want to become american ether...
still your canadian friend,
Originally posted by centurion1211
I'm not talking about official help from the U.S. government. No, I'm suggesting that there might be a number of people willing to come north and act as insurgents to help you get yourselves free.
Originally posted by Otts
Always learning: Bonjour! I don't think we've met... but indeed, French is very much alive, and something the people in the West don't want to know is that the French population in BC and Alberta is actually *growing* because of the job opportunities there...
Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
We hate France, Quebec, & Eastern Ontario.
Originally posted by Amelia
Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
We hate France, Quebec, & Eastern Ontario.
HOW can you HATE us like that!?!?!?!?! I'm a quebec person, french canadian and that is not nice
Do you know ME????? I'm a very nice gentle and soft young woman you are missing a whole lot for hating me dude
You should NEVER make generalization like that....makes a bad impression on you and your fellow west canadians
How wide is that brush of yours? Such statements are nothing but typical stereotyping of a group of people which seem to get your goat. In other words rayzor, it is a motherhood statement, levied because you have the need to place blame on others for your obvious feelings of inferiority. You would have a better chance at making your statements seem warranted if only you would support same with a reasoned analysis as to what it is these ”trendy left-wing elitists” of the beaches have done to provoke you so into spewing your guile in their direction.
Originally posted by rayzor11 I used the Beaches reference to describe the trendy left-wing elitists that are so blessed with a wealth of knowledge, that they believe that their mission in life is to guide the rest of us mis-informed masses in terms of morals, culture, politics, etc. Sorry, but I can't "mix n mingle" with these types.
You are Kreskin now and can get into my mind and know what I think of America? When you attempt such statements like that with me know I am going to lob them right back at you, for what is worse rayzor, to hate another country or to hate your own, as you portray yourself?
Consumed by your obvious hatred of our evil neighbour to the south, you of course, missed the entire point. The frustration the west feels is the SAME frustration that the red states in the US feel - being ruled/dictated by the small (yet concentrated) pockets of urban, metropolitan blue. If you can't see that similarity, then there's no point debating further. Maybe if we had our own two "distinct" colors, you could maybe get a handle on what I'm talking about?
You pinned that on yourself my friend, and set out to prove it over and over as you do with:
And sorry about the insults and "wild assumptions" of your education - you just fit the mold...kinda like you first tried to peg my uneducated, redneck a**.
Obviously, had I been incorrect you would have told me to take the blinders off, n’est pas?
talk about "painting with a brush shy of a few bristles" lol...a new twist to "the uneducated, redneck masses"...now we have an inferiority complex, are uneducated about the history of Canada, and use false/irrelevant logic. Thanks for the update! Now you can put the blinders back on....
What are you having issues now with Americans? Please make up your mind as to whether I hate them, see them as evil or am one of them, for that very statement when put into perspective with your sweeping generalizations suggests you see them as evil.
are you sure you're not really American?
This is the saddest and darkest chapters in our history, and continues to this day in how they are disparaged. For all the benefits bestowed upon the natives of this land, they have not been given their due. If it were not for their exemplary efforts in aiding the British, the Union Jack may not be flying in Canada, and I happen to love Britain's flag flying alongside our own.
Originally posted by Duzey
One question that I have never seen addressed by advocates of seperation, and I think it's a pretty big one, is what about the First Nations? Do they get any say in this? Do they get their own referendum where they get to chose what country to go with? And if they do, what land do they get to take with them? I would guess over half of my province (BC) is under some kind of land claim by one group or another. I seem to recall a little problem in a place called Oka involving the Mohawks, and really don't think they would just roll over and do as told.