Western Canadian Liberation Front

Cool, thanks. We should get back to the topic of the thread.

We have a lot of French/Creole speakers here in New Orleans, Louisiana and they don't want to secede from the U.S., in fact they're part of a Bush-voting, Republican red state.

michboisnard...
if that is your example of why you do not want Stephen Harper elected...you just lost me. I didn't like him for some other reasons, but the sad fact of our military is a joke. We need to get our 'peacekeepers'
better equiped, that's just a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
I remember well that our soldiers in Kosovo were outfitted with baseball bats to defend themselves against rabid dogs, but were not issued any way to protect themselves with munitions. That's not just sad...it's ridiculous.

Then there was the fact we couldn't even transport our troops and had to use American civil airlines to do the job.

It just goes on and on.
About the police forces, I think we have a fairly good mix of cops to citizens, so you don't get me going there.

No...michboisnard...we need to spend some cash on our soldiers...it's getting bad when we can only field 5,000 soldiers world-wide and yet still not properly equip them.

yes...lets get back to the idea of Western Seperation...this is getting too far to the East.

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it was just an example
but you're right about spending more money and all but just not making it a priority....anyway let's go back to the west hehe (I really got a big problem to express myself in english just startin to getting used to it)

I love you anyway


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And as for western seperation, yes there are some conservatives here who have a big problem with under-representation in the govt. But fortunately, as those from ontario who have business dealings with us can attest to, nothing will ever come of it, because we're all to busy golfing, skiing, hiking or getting stoned to get around to it.

Yea...and we Ontarians just love to go over to B.C. and fight the yearly rash of forest fires too...it's hot work, but the beer sure tastes better afterwards.

You know...I really do love everything in this country, from the Atlantic to the Pacific to the Arctic...it's all grand.

And I find Westerners great...this year I think we (ATS) should book the Palliser Hotel in Calgary for a wild weekend just before the Stampede starts.

Afterwards we could go to Nelson and watch the hippies dance...whaddaya think?

I just don't take Western Seperation all that seriously...I spent a couple of weeks in Naramata last year and nobody even mentioned Stockwell day once.

And as far as Ralphy (King) Klein is concerned...God love him. I like his smile and he looks good in a Stetson...what more can I say?

masqua

I think there are three things we can agree on coast to coast, hockey *weeps* curling and beer.

hockey for sure

go habs

As Canadians the one thing that truly unites us from coast to coast are Molson commercials. Loving the current 'Do you really want to hurt me'.

For my unfortunate American friends who haven't seen them - choose the video section

Beer, hockey, mack jackets, cheesy eighties songs, I hate it when the stereotypes are true.

And yes, Ralphie-boy does have a certain je ne sais quois, so does/did Jean Chretien, Pierre Trudeau and Rene Levesque, but that doesn't mean I wanted any of them running(ruining) our great country.

I seem to recall the way Ralph went about lowering the welfare roles was to cut rates to $100 a month less than BC, and providing bus tickets. That doesn't really show a grasp of the situation, and has led to increasing problems in my province.

edited to fix link

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Let me say I am damn proud to see a Canadian political thread here on ATS, even though the start of it was a bit rough

I think Canada is just fine, no we don't want to be Americans, no Quebec isn't going anywhere and I really can't see too many people in the west disliking the east, not my generation anway (I'm 25). I have many friends and family that live or have lived out west and all over Canada in fact and this is truly the first time I have ever heard anything about the west not liking eastern politics, if there even is such a thing as eastern politics. Just like everywhere else it's just people not liking the specific parties.

I grew up with a very simple outlook on our political parties here in Canada.

PC = Bunch of Rich guys looking out for the upper class.

NDP = Party for the working man (My family has voted for the NDP for as long as I can remember)

Librals = A mixture of both

I really never got into the whole politics thing until a couple years ago, so I'm a little uneducated as far as what happened in the past.

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Wow, i never realized i lived in a welfare province.

Oh well, i gotta run, my Pogie just came in and i gotta pick up a carton o smokes.

-awesome thread btw.

Personally I think that any member of a sovereign western country who wishes to be absorbed by another more powerful western country is far more spineless than those who choose to stand their ground.









typo

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Cargo...
The really sad part is how such a member would be willing to pull the rest of the people along with him/her. If some-one so badly wants to leave Canada, perhaps they should go for the green card lottery and never look back.
Myself, I'll stay here in the cold white north and be quite content.

Originally posted by masqua
Yea...and we Ontarians just love to go over to B.C. and fight the yearly rash of forest fires too...it's hot work, but the beer sure tastes better afterwards.

This topic is an example of an issue that does fuel western separatists. The reason we have all these fires is because there's no one in there cleaning up the underbrush. Due to decades of softwood lumber disputes, and the federal govts unwillingness to stand up for us, lumber co's have shut down en masse. And they were the ones that provided summer jobs to students clearing underbrush, so these sorts of things wouldn't happen. Protecting their livelihood and all. Very similar to what the govt did to the maritimes fishing industry.

A long time friend of mine worked for MacMillen/ Blowdell, since sold to an American company, Warehouser I think. He said that after the sale the new company drastically cut production. Don't see how that could be blamed on the gov't.

treason:

n 1: a crime that undermines the offender's government [syn: high treason, lese majesty] 2: disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior [syn: subversiveness, traitorousness] 3: an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery, betrayal, perfidy]

trea�son
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Batoche, carefully observe highlighted passages. You don't seem to understand that the US isn't quite benign towards Canada. Nor is attempted subversion of provinces smiled upon. Hell, if you did so in your beloved United States, you'd be strung up.

DE

This happened in the previous disputes back in the eighties. Where I grew up there were about 7 timber companies when I was in high school, they even had a forestry component in high school. Now there is 1. These companies hired kids in the summer to clear underbrush, and they had their own fire fighting units. When there was a fire in the bush back then, the forest companies were the first ones in, because it was in their interest to protect the trees. They took care of it because it was important that they maintain their supply. But when, due to trade disputes, the industry took a nose dive and shut down the plants, well the wasn't much point in taking care of the resources any more. The small-town fire department depended on these additional, highly trained fire-fighting crews to take care of these events.

And it's not just the govts fault, though I do feel they had a part in getting the ball rolling, rabid environmentalists have made a good contribution to this, as well. I realize to blame the govt entirely for the forest fires is simplistic, to say the least, I just wanted to point out that this is the kind of thing the separatists (I am not one) use as examples. If you know why people believe what they do, it makes it easier to debate the issue.

My opinion of western separatists is while they do have the occasional (very occasional) good point, they are just your average talk-show radio crowd, and have absolutely no idea what it would really mean to seperate.

Originally posted by DeusEx
treason:

n 1: a crime that undermines the offender's government [syn: high treason, lese majesty] 2: disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior [syn: subversiveness, traitorousness] 3: an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery, betrayal, perfidy]

trea�son
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Batoche, carefully observe highlighted passages. You don't seem to understand that the US isn't quite benign towards Canada. Nor is attempted subversion of provinces smiled upon. Hell, if you did so in your beloved United States, you'd be strung up.

DE

Treason as defined by the U.S. Constitution (Article III, Section 3):

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Analysis by usconstitution.net:

The authors were concerned about the definition of treason. They thought that it was used too broadly to define any dissenting opinions. Their new country would be much stricter about what treason was, and how one would be accused and convicted of it.

Treason, then, is defined only as going to war against the USA, or aiding the enemies of the USA. To be convicted, the accused must confess to treason, or be accused by two direct witnesses of the treason.

The authors were also concerned that the person convicted of treason be the only one to suffer for the treasonous acts. The Constitution explicitly that there may be no "corruption of blood," or that the children and relatives of the traitor not be considered traitorous simply by relation; the "no forfeiture" clause basically means that once the traitor dies, "payment" for the crime ends.

I doubt you'd be "strung up" in the United States for treason by discussing political options.

Sounds alot like the same sentiments we are having here in the west coast U.S. Talk of cessetion has been going on for years, especially in California. But it makes sense.

We get pretty sick of the East Coast running our biz, and feds comming in either trying to force down our throats their fascist or socialist agendas. Culturally, politically, and socially, we don't have # in common with the rest of the U.S. When you consider the fact that the west coast is the least "Christian" and alot more apethetic towards religon......the idea of religous bible thumpers in the South and Midlands forcing their theocracy on us, and snobbish, elitist New England liberals trying to ruin our sulf sufficent lifestyles.....

I really wish the West Coast would leave the Union. Wed be better off without the east anyway.

So I can understand your pain and desire to break off with the eastern part of Canada. Its not like the govornment cares, nor can truly represent your interests.

Just like mine cant do it either, whether its a New England liberal snob or some right wing bible nut from the south.


No matter, fight the good fight.

Please excuse the "red-neck" comment.....was just having fun and mean nothing by it....but I did state I'm also a "part" red-neck....well my girlfriend thinks so (hee...hee...)

And to the "quick labeling american" that called me a terrorist...as I stated before...if you w'r standing in front of me....no way you'd say that.

All I was saying waz....that I feel for the people of Iraq and the missery they are going thru....as we sit...pretty and pink in front of our computer.

It's just in my heart to care for others...can't help it....esp. when they are being beat-up by a bully....I always fight bulliezzzzz (never have liked and never will), and when I see one...I confront em'.

So before you lable people "think"....because when you do that it shows how "narrow" minded you realy are...

As always y'r Canadian Friend Sven.