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The Latest: Putin Q&A - Admits Russians participating in E. Ukraine in military capacity

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posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

ahh yes. the us and EU had nothing to do with the war in Ukraine. Yanukovich ran away because of the totally grass roots revolution. keep repeating it enough times and eventually people will regard it as the truth.

i cant tell whether you actually believe this or you are just support the united states starting wars to gain more power so you repeat their lies. either one is very scary.




posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

It occurred because yanukovych screwed the Ukrainian people by using security forces to kill protestors.



posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

ah is that what happened. right sector collecting their guns from the hotel people were being shot from had nothing to do with anything. sh1ts real simple when you dont actually analyze the evidence. there was alot more to it. there was security forces wounded. warning shots fired at protesters. protesters firing back. mercenaries that were detained and released. it was a mess.
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posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

The Ukrainians hate this tyranny 'cause Russia invaded them. Sure. Not.
Reporting straight from the front, embedded Azov BS anyone?

Embrace yourself for a hard landing back in reality:


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Despite signs last year that Ukraine's then-new president was starting to rebuild Ukrainians' trust in their leadership, President Petro Poroshenko is now less popular than his predecessor Viktor Yanukovych was before he was ousted. After more than a year in office, 17% of Ukrainians approve of the job that Poroshenko is doing. This approval rating is down sharply from 47% a few months after his election in May 2014.

www.gallup.com...

Perfectly understandable, Yanu didn't wage war on militant activists and he didn't throw the whole Ukraine on her knees for every dead dipsh!t passing by either.
Do we actually see the same Ukraine or are you looking at some parallel universe? Care to try putting up some sources for the plethora of BS and lies you keep spitting?

You've definitely deserved a Star and some irony iron for your Göbbel_ish efforts under the Wolfsangel. Well done! Stick (it) to your uniform, special unicorn!




posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

No amount of lies makes what you said truthful so give it up.



posted on Dec, 30 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

You, Russians and pro russians are stuck on popularity while ignoring facts. I always enjoy it when you guys try to use the number of stars as "proof" that what your saying is right.

How about the Ukrainian government threatening the Azov battalion. Or the fact they were all volunteer.. An argument Russia likes to use to say no russians are fighting in E. Ukraine or that no russian military units were involved in the invasion and illegal occupation of crimea.

The Azov battalion was taken over by the Ukraine government, upgraded, and instituted requirements for joining it, effectively ending the pr bonanza you and russias were using to push the bs nazi crap.

If you did research, and your own thinking instead of russia telling you what to believe, you might not be as behind the times as you currently are.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

no lies. its on tape bub. no amount of ignoring video evidence changes reality. but then again it seems youve deluded yourself to the point where reality is no concern to you.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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How about the Ukrainian government threatening the Azov battalion. Or the fact they were all volunteer


what does that have to do with anything? azov are rabid. they are pissing off keiv. doesn't change that fact that they played a big part in the regime change in Ukraine. and as if them being volunteer has anything to do with anything. you should retire and let tsurfer troll these forums. atleast hes clever. you dont even make sense when you speak.
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

This is your failing.. You, again, ignore facts while swallowing russian propaganda without question. A video with false information as to the context does not make a truth and its sad that someone of your intelligence is incapable of knowing the difference.

That mindset is exactly why Russia will be a second rate power.
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

i dont know what Russian propaganda youre referring too. i look to video evidence and eye witness testimony to compile my knowledge... always have always will.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: Xcathdra

i dont know what Russian propaganda youre referring too. i look to video evidence and eye witness testimony to compile my knowledge... always have always will.


and when it comes from Russian media coupled with lies its russian propaganda... As the links you evidently ignored show.

You are intelligent so why dont you exercise that intelligence and question what russia puts out instead of believing it with no questions?

Like the idiotic crucifixion bs that was proven to be a lie...
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posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

It's not even worth the silly arguments whenever I hear someone say that the United States caused the ouster of ayanukovych you know there so deep into Russian propaganda its not worth arguing. Never mind the fact that he was under investigation for over a year by his own government for theft. And he snuck out of Ukraine the day before the invetrigation finnished. He recieves a call that evening and the palace paid for by Ukraine warning him. He's in souch a hurry he loads a jet full of stuff grabs all his money he can and flees to Russia.

Anyone who thinks the Ukrainians were going to allow him to stay in power is nuts he stole millions the issue with maiden just help fan the flames on the fuse that was already lit. Unlike Russians who know Putin steals money Ukrainians got tired of Russian politics and basically were not going to ignore graft and coruption like in the past.



posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 04:46 AM
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He's in souch a hurry he loads a jet full of stuff grabs all his money he can and flees to Russia.


And it is amazing how corrupt he really was..

yanukovychleaks.org...

People who do these things really shouldn't keep such good records of their affairs.

But of course it was all the West's fault he was so corrupt.



posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

so you actually believe that the west had nothing to do with it huh? somehow Yanukovich being under investigation and being corrupt is somehow reason to completely ignore everything that happened. god damn thats nuts.



posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

its not BS. did you watch the video? its on video. video tape. watch the video please. please watch the video. that video needs you to watch it. please view the video.
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posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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You just dont get it do you... Anyone want to explain it to him?


Please link your video source.

* - Stopf ake - The crucifixion of a 3-year old, the U.S. helped Kiev shoot down Flight 17, and other tales the Kremlin media tell

On July 12 Russia’s main state television channel, Channel One, interviewed a Ukrainian woman with a heart-wrenching story. The woman said she had witnessed the public execution of a 3-year-old boy, who was crucified in the crowded main square of Slovyansk in eastern Ukraine. The town had been a rebel stronghold but was retaken by the Ukrainian army a week earlier—and that’s when the execution took place, the woman said. Viewers of the prime-time news program were told that the Ukrainian “animals”—descendants of the fascist collaborators during World War II—cut the little boy’s flesh and made him suffer for an hour before he died. The woman added that the boy’s mother was then tied to a tank and dragged until she too was dead.

The Russian correspondent shook her head compassionately. “Are you not afraid to tell us this story?” she asked the woman three times, without trying to verify the facts.

Just as well—there weren’t any facts. The story was fake. As fake as the stories reported in Russia about the Ukrainian fascists who staged a coup in Kiev in February and then attacked the Russian-speaking southeastern Ukraine. As fake as some of the supposedly indigenous separatist leaders. The rebels’ self-styled defense chief, Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov, or “shooter”), for instance, is a former or maybe even current Russian security-services officer with a passion for theatrical re-enactments of battles in the post-1917 civil war.

The narrative of the civil war in Ukraine was scripted in Moscow and executed by state television channels that have substituted reality with fiction. The consequence of this fiction is the spilling of real blood and death, including the deaths of the 298 people on board Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Since the Moscow-backed annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region, the virtual reality created by Russian state media has played a primary role in the conflict, backed by Russian military and intelligence. The first thing that the Russian special forces did in the Donbas region at the beginning of the war was to seize the television transmitters. Ukrainian channels were taken off the air and replaced by Russian state channels.

The Russian broadcasts skilfully played on fears and prejudices in eastern Ukraine against the political revolution in Kiev. The revolt overthrew President Viktor Yanukovych, a corrupt authoritarian who came from eastern Ukraine. And the Russian broadcasts exploited nostalgia in that part of Ukraine for the Soviet past. Some responsibility for that nostalgia’s persistence lies with Ukrainian intellectuals and political leaders, who failed in the post-Soviet era to build a law-based state or integrate Donbas into Ukraine.

Many of those who have joined the rebel movement see no benefit or virtue in Ukraine’s independence. Many are jobless and disenfranchised, some are paid pittances while risking their lives in illegal mines. Many of the separatist fighters are former Soviet soldiers who felt abandoned by their Soviet motherland. Russian television has brought them all together, calling them martyrs and heroes.

By contrast, the audience within Russia has been given the role of spectators. For six months Russians have watched a television serial filled with blood, violence and suspense. Every news program begins with a new episode of the Ukrainian war show. The show’s popularity can be seen in Mr. Putin’s approval rating, now over 80%.

The show has been free of charge, too: The feeble economic sanctions imposed by the West have so far not affected most of the Russian population. The Kremlin is fighting a proxy war aided by the TV remote control.

Yet the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 has changed the picture. This was clearly not part of the script. The crippling sanctions that Mr. Putin has so far managed to avoid are now a real threat. After the airliner was shot down, the smooth propaganda machine faltered briefly, sputtering out ridiculous stories that the Ukrainians shot down the passenger jet because they mistook it for Mr. Putin’s aircraft.

But then the propagandists settled on the official story: Flight 17 was shot down by the Ukrainian army with America’s knowledge and probably endorsement. Why would the U.S. do this? Because Washington wants to damage and isolate its Russian rival.

Why does the Kremlin’s propaganda seem more effective now than it was in Soviet days? Because it tells many people what they want to hear. Soviet crowing about the economic miracle of communism was daily refuted by empty stores and long lines. The advantages of capitalism and the West were too obvious.

The propaganda now fed to Russians is more sleek and professional than the drab Soviet version, but it is effective primarily because people want to believe it. It is depressing how many educated, middle-class Russians with access to alternative sources of information blindly rehearse the arguments made by state propaganda.

The war against Ukraine is now presented as a wider confrontation with the West and America in particular. In the Putin era, the collapse of the Soviet Union has been cast not as an act of liberation by its own people, but as a defeat imposed by the West. It is common to hear even young Russians—who have benefited from the oil boom in recent years and have no memory of Soviet life—disdain the West while they eagerly acquire the trappings of a Western lifestyle.

When the Soviet Union fell apart more than two decades ago, the central narrative was that Russia was on the path to join the West and share its values of freedom and democracy. With central planning replaced by a market economy, prosperity would bind Russia to the West. The paradox is that the richer Russians become, and the more they take vacations abroad, the more resentful they become of being judged by Western standards.

Kremlin propaganda has liberated Russia’s rich and powerful from the need to justify themselves to anyone and has freed them from a nagging inferiority complex. Russians are told relentlessly that theirs is a unique civilization, morally superior to the West. In identifying the U.S. as an enemy and the source of Russia’s troubles, the Kremlin sends the same basic message to Russians that it sends to the residents of eastern Ukraine: You are victims of outside forces.

Confrontation is embedded in the Putin regime and comes at the cost of not modernizing the country. As the Soviet Union once proved, this road leads to a dead end, but as Mr. Putin’s reckless behavior shows, it can spring nasty surprises along the way.

By Arcady Ostrovsky, the Moscow bureau chief at the Economist.



* - Russian TV sparks outrage with Ukraine child 'crucifixion' claim

* - Liveleak - More Kremlin Propaganda Lies Exposed



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posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I see you now changed your story yet again, this time trying to pass off guys burning another man to death and trying to claim it as a crucifixion.

Your attempt is pathetic.


* - stopfake - FAKE: Commandos from “Berkut” who refused to kneel have been burned alive in Lviv

* - stopfake - Fake: Group of Religious People Burned to Death in Donetsk Airport


As for you new video I ask -

* - why is he only moaning?
* - why does the video stop when the fire gets to just below his feet?
* - Why is he not screaming in pain when elevated?
* - Why is he silent?

Fake - just like the other bs videos... like the crucifixion of the 3 year old boy you tried to start with, to the mass graves that werent there, to the bowing, which ironically enough another story with bowing as V.President Biden visited ukraine.

Why are you so desperate to believe russian lies?

The video is also listed as satan worshipers killing a christian....


So to summarize the video you want us to believe shows no person being burned alive.

try again...

A list of fake videos pushed by russian media propaganda...

**The link is to an article discussing each incident - NOT a link to the videos themselves. Some images might be disturbing**


GRAPHIC Fake video about Azov crucifying a POW, ake story about a crucified baby, Right Sector cutting the throat of an ex policeman in front of his wife, 'execution by point blank guns' in Slovyansk, Fake hanging, Fake execution,


This crucifiction video is of the same kind and probably even produced by the same people.

Nowhere can the man really be seen getting hurt. His arms are taped, so he can quite comfortably hang by his arms on the cross. It's bad quality video, so details can never be seen clearly. Thus the nails can very easily be faked.

When he gets hit with a stick in his stomach it doesn't even look like it's painful. For a man being killed they poke him really nice and kind.

Just before the fire gets too bad, they cut the video.

Yeah right.

It's as fake as can be.

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posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 05:41 PM
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I would just like to say one thing regarding your source stopfake.org. It receives funding from at least the UK government. I see you using it all the time and they call themselves a non governmental independent organisation but they ain't. They are every bit the propaganda outlet as everywhere else.



posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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Except they document what russia claims and then shows the sources where the russians get their video (lately from Syria). There are other sites that call out the fake russian media claims as well.

Question - What stories has stopfake provided, by stopfake, that have been false?

None of which answers the poi8nts raised about the video in question. Russia has been caught using other fake / staged video, like the people being hanged in the forest.

Do you believe the video in question, the "crucifixion" of the "pow" is real? If so how do you explain the points that were raised? Where is the body and why did they stop filming before it got to the "pow"?


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posted on Jan, 1 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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i did... it wasnt a three year old it was a grown man. if you dont believe it i dont care.

why are you so desperate to believe that the crucifixion is fake? looked pretty real to me. its also not the only execution video by the azov battalion. theres a reason even the Ukrainians are shunning them. they are #ed up psychopaths.




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