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The Latest: Putin Q&A - Admits Russians participating in E. Ukraine in military capacity

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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




The "ethnic" russian bs is the same lie Hitler used, protection of ethnic germans, to justify his aggression / invasion of his neighbors.


That is what Turkey should have said about protecting ethnic Turks in Syria that Russia was bombing.

Do you think the same members who thought it was okay for Russia to use it in Ukraine would see it as okay if Turkey were to use it?

I bet they wouldn't.




posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
I bet they wouldn't.


I bet your right...



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And now we're talking.

You compared Assad to the Junta in Kiev, which is rather spot on. Both declared war on their people and both get a whole bunch of support for their madness.
But instead of realizing this problem, the gullible will continue with stupid double-standarts regardless.

Yes of course there are Turks fighting in Syria and Russians in the Ukraine, you can't forbid them to care for their people and join the fight. Can you? The real problem here is not the reaction of those people, but rather the escalating hostile actions of plain dictators in the first place.

Russia acknowledged this and said Assad has to go, did the West follow up with saying something similar with regards to those Neonazis in the Ukraine?



I bet they wouldn't.


Indeed. They won't. Quite the opposite is true, these puppets get a platform for their propaganda on German News-outlets, selling their Neonazi Spearheads to our Gullible Fritz as freedom-fighters.

Well. I hope you're happy, now that Putin 'admitted something entirely new'.


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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

There are more nationalists / neo Nazis in the Russian government than the one in Kiev. Ironic people ignore facts when it doesn't fit with Russian propaganda.

As for your comparison of Syria and Ukraine what happened with Yanukovych will happen to Assad.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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You compared Assad to the Junta in Kiev, which is rather spot on.


When and where?



Both declared war on their people and both get a whole bunch of support for their madness.


No the Ukrainian government isn't out there barrel bombing and using chemical weapons against it's civilians...can Syria say that?

Ukraine is fighting an armed separatists movement backed by Russia...Assad uses his government to stay in power and keep it in his grasp.

Ukraine is trying to keep the country as a whole...Assad doesn't care about his country as long as he stays in charge.

There is a big difference between the two situations and as to why they happened.



Russia acknowledged this and said Assad has to go, did the West follow up with saying something similar with regards to those Neonazis in the Ukraine?




And yet did nothing to bring that to actual light did they, so if you really think they believe that...I have a bridge from Fla. to Mexico I can sell you.

As far as Neo Nazi's in Ukraine...who do you think Russia sent to Ukraine to run the East?

Pavel Gubarev is a known neo nazi.



Well. I hope you're happy, now that Putin 'admitted something entirely new'.


Maybe to you, but most already knew it.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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Tv cougha reply to: tsurfer2000h

God, You still wanna play "Who created this Ukraine crisis"

Hu nter Biden's new job at a Ukrainian gas company is a problem for U.S. soft power
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h




No the Ukrainian government isn't out there barrel bombing and using chemical weapons against it's civilians...can Syria say that?


yeah they are just doing misdemeanor war crimes like dropping white phosphorous, blowing up chemical plants, and sometimes even going as far as crucifying people.

ohh and since you brought that up do you have any evidence that assad was using chemical weapons other than that inane UN report that doesnt actually present any evidence other than calling on the point that helicopters were used. lol because terrorists cant fly or steal choppers. just doesnt happen.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Prove it . . . That theres MORE NEO- NAZIS in Russia . . . Prove that theres LESS Neo-Nazis in U.S. than Russia. . .

We"ll ALL wait



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:47 PM
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As for your comparison of Syria and Ukraine what happened with Yanukovych will happen to Assad.



hell get replaced by some dummy who runs the country into the ground while the citizens suffer? yeah sounds like US regime change to me.


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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I was gonna say Russia....



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: UrsulasInk

Please learn to read, read what I posted, then try again. Hint - contrary to your intentionally false claims I said government. Russia does in fact have more neo nazis in its government than Ukraine. I will let you figure out how ironic that is all on your own.

Russian Duma -
*- Political party LDPR - 56 MP - Russian nationalism, pan-Slavism, neo-imperialism, mixed economy

Ukraine Verkhovna Rada -
* - Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[6]

Using the definition of national socialism (NAZI Ideology) even more political parties in the russian government fall into that category. As you can see Ukrainians cleaned house during the last parliamentary elections where Russians apparently are embracing national socialism as we can see by the number of seats the LDRP holds.


Russian Neo Nazis

Russia
Main articles: Racism in Russia and Radical nationalism in Russia
Neo-Nazism in Russia: The photograph was taken at an anti-homosexual demonstration in Moscow in October 2010

Many Russian neo-Nazis openly admire Adolf Hitler and use the swastika as their symbol. Russian neo-Nazis are characterized by racism, antisemitism, homophobia, Islamophobia and extreme xenophobia towards people from Asia.[76] Their ideology centers on defending Russian national identity against what they perceive as a takeover by minority groups such as Jews, Caucasians, homosexuals, Central Asians, East Asians, Roma people, and Muslims.

Russian neo-Nazis have made it an explicit goal to take over the country by force, and have put serious effort into preparing for this. Paramilitary organizations operating under the guise of sports clubs have trained their members in squad tactics, hand to hand combat and weapons handling. They have stockpiled and used weapons, often illegally.

Some observers have noted a subjective irony of Russians embracing Nazism, because one of Hitler's ambitions at the start of World War II was the Generalplan Ost (Master Plan East) which allegedly envisaged to exterminate, expel, or enslave most or all Slavs from central and eastern Europe (i.e., Russians, Ukrainians, Poles etc.).[77] Russian neo-Nazis deny the authenticity of this plan.[77] At the end of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, over 25 million Soviet citizens had died.[78] In a 2007 news story, ABC News reported, "In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."[79]

The dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 caused great economic and social problems, including widespread unemployment and poverty. Several far right paramilitary organizations were able to tap into popular discontent, particularly among marginalized, lesser educated and unemployed youths. Of the three major age groups — youths, adults, and the elderly — youths may have been hit the hardest. The elderly suffered due to inadequate (or unpaid) pensions, but they found effective political representation in the Communist Party, and generally had their concerns addressed through better budget allocations. Adults, although often suffering financially and psychologically due to job losses, were generally able to find new sources of income.

Russian National Unity (RNE), founded in 1990 and led by Alexander Barkashov, has claimed to have members in 250 cities. RNE adopted the swastika as its symbol, and sees itself as the avant-garde of a coming national revolution. It is critical of other major far right organizations, such as the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR). Historian Walter Laqueur calls RNE far closer to the Nazi model than the LDPR. RNE publishes several news sheets; one of them, Russky poryadok, claims to have a circulation of 150,000. Full members of RNE are called Soratnik (comrades in arms), receive combat training at locations near Moscow, and many of them work as security officers or armed guards.[80]

On August 15, 2007, Russian authorities arrested a student for allegedly posting a video on the Internet which appears to show two migrant workers being beheaded in front of a red and black swastika flag.[81] Alexander Verkhovsky, the head of a Moscow-based center that monitors hate crime in Russia, said, "It looks like this is the real thing. The killing is genuine ... There are similar videos from the Chechen war. But this is the first time the killing appears to have been done intentionally."[82] A Russian neo-Nazi group called the Russian National Socialist Party claimed responsibility for the murders.[citation needed]



Parties, organizations, movements described as radical nationalist
Black Hundreds
Eurasia Party
Mladorossi
National Bolshevik Party
National Bolshevik Front
National Salvation Front
Pamyat
LDPR
People's National Party
Russian National Socialist Party
Russian National Union
Russian National Unity
Slavic Union



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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 03:16 AM
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Surely regarding the chemical weapons we know that al nusra men were caught actually carrying Sarin gas. So it wasn't Assad and we need to ask who is equipping al nusra and we all know who they are - don't we?

whowhatwhy.org...

One of the Assad's sins is that the father of Bashar who came to power in 1971 came from an impoverished family and is not one of the elite - so they don't buy into the top families trying to run the world by whatever means and deaths they cause in order to keep their power base and get their own way.

Any ME country with a mix of people and religions has to be run by a powerful leadership. In fact you have Iraq, Libya and now Syria all testifying to this fact. In the West where we have democracy ha ha! we are run by a list of people who merely dance to the same families who control the money, press, etc etc we just see a different face to dictatorship, which is fast coming here unless people wake up. Do you honestly think Obama actually runs America, cameron certainly doesn't run the UK and his being a cousin of queenie/rothschild should tell people who pulls his strings

Russia getting the flack is merely stage setting for the warm up to war which will ultimately cull people to a more manageable number and less noticeable nuisance to these exclusive self-chosen families. Thank heavens Putin doesn't rise to it like the idiots we have trying to start this war in the West. Of course Putin is going to be involved in Ukraine because of the Russian majority in the Crimea who voted freely to remain Russian and frankly I couldn't see the USA adopting a different strategy to the one Russia has towards giving up that base were it used by the American fleet and not a Russian one. In fact what the hell is the USA doing interfering in Ukraine except to ensure USA money-men's investment?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: UrsulasInk

A lawyer who was hired for the companys legal department? Did you bother to read / understand the article?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7

Could it not have come from Syrian chemical weapons stockpiles that were overrun?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Try what again? I haven't seen too many people deny Russia is in east Ukraine. You telling me my eyes deceive me??



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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yeah they are just doing misdemeanor war crimes like dropping white phosphorous,


Wrong that was proven to be a lie by Russian media.



blowing up chemical plants,


That was occupied by separatists.



and sometimes even going as far as crucifying people.


And that too was proven a lie by Russian media. In fact it was the same media outlet that lied about White Phosphorous being used in Ukraine.



ohh and since you brought that up do you have any evidence that assad was using chemical weapons other than that inane UN report that doesnt actually present any evidence other than calling on the point that helicopters were used. lol because terrorists cant fly or steal choppers. just doesnt happen.


How about doctors who treated those civilians of the chemical attacks?


A network of Syrian doctors told the US Congress that Bashar al-Assad’s regime is systematically weaponising chlorine to spread fear among civilian populations, in defiance of a recent UN security council resolution.

The testimony on Wednesday was accompanied by a dossier of evidence compiled by the Syrian American Medical Society (Sams), a charity that runs 95 medical facilities inside the country. It documents 31 separate chlorine attacks between 16 March and 9 June.


And they used barrel bombs to do it...


Isis are understood to have used chlorine in Iraq. However, Sams said that all the attacks in their data were launched from helicopters, which are only operated by the Assad regime.



www.businessinsider.com...

I guess those doctors on the ground must be lying.




lol because terrorists cant fly or steal choppers. just doesnt happen.


Your right it just doesn't happen.

In the whole time this war in Syria has been going on have there been reports that a terrorist has acquired one to use...no because they can't.

Or they would have.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:46 AM
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it was a lie? could have swore it was a video of it happening. ohh yeah it was. lel. how silly of you.

makes it ok. fair enough. how dare i think this is a haneous way to fight.

again the Crucifixion was video taped. not sure what the lie is. i wasnt even aware it was reported on by russian media, i saw it on live leak.

fair enough maybe he did. i always tend to listen to the people on the ground and not only when it fits my bias. take notes maybe? please. i personally hope Russia stabs him in the back and become buddies with the US and take out the Chinese. this is what i want for Christmas. but also a stable syria which i dont have any hope for if the US is calling the shots. every country they touch lies in ruins, its pretty sad and id like for people to not have to live in perpetual war.

if the allegations against Assad are true which you have given me reason to seriously consider then he definitely needs to go. using fear to subdue the militants is fine by me, thats just the nature of war and a very effective tactic. but not against peaceful people.

they cant? ohh ok. well when you put it that way.
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posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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Lies: Crucifixion on «Channel One»

You can find the other russian media lies on the same site.



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