While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism

a reply to: MontukKraken

But you don't like me. So why should we help people that are taking advantage of the situation when you could be more tolerant and be cut in instead of out?

I don't "like" you?
I don't even know you! I've never seen your username before, ever.

If, however, you are one of those people who think everyone who is struggling is a dead-beat loser, and not worthy of attention and basic security, then - yes, I don't like you.

a reply to: infolurker

Jesus would have nothing to do with politics.

If you knew Jesus, you would not have said that.. LOL

And if you knew jesus you would know he didn't come to start a new religion.
You don't see the throwing of the lenders tables in the temple as a political act?

Or what about his battles with the Pharisees? Its not stretching the imagination to see his acts were very political in nature.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Pharisees (/ˈfærəˌsiːz/) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land during the time of Second Temple Judaism. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (the term 'Judaism' today almost always refers to Rabbinic Judaism).
Conflicts between Pharisees and Sadducees took place in the context of much broader and longstanding social and religious conflicts among Jews, dating back to the time of slavery in Egypt and exacerbated by the Roman conquest.[1] Another conflict was cultural, between those who favored Hellenization (the Sadducees) and those who resisted it (the Pharisees). A third was juridico-religious, between those who emphasized the importance of the Second Temple with its rites and services, and those who emphasized the importance of other Mosaic Laws. A fourth point of conflict, specifically religious, involved different interpretations of the Torah and how to apply it to current Jewish life, with Sadducees recognizing only the Written Torah (with Greek philosophy) and rejecting doctrines such as the Oral Torah, the Prophets, the Writings, and the resurrection of the dead.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

All of these posters have benefited greatly from our mixed economy Buzzy.

Had our country developed along the lines of fantasy many of them here espouse today, this land would be a morass of tiny satrapies filled with masters and slaves.

Or actually, it wouldn't. We wouldn't have survived the early 1800s if these folk's beliefs were actually the way things were.

Smile and nod when you can ...

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I noticed that Infolurker apparently thinks they know Jesus better than anyone.

Glad to see you just showed them differently.

Yay.
Socialism.
Where's the bread line?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Smile and nod when you can ...

*takes a deep breath*

Thanks, Gryph. Thanks for reminding me that this entire country's citizenry isn't completely insane.

Let's impose a tiny bit of honesty here ... from the OP's link:

But do Americans really think in terms of these labels?

Re-imagining Cooper’s question to Sanders, respondents were asked if they consider themselves to be capitalists, socialists, or neither. Capitalists outnumber socialists by three-to-one (30% to 9%) overall, but the majority say neither (46%) or “Not sure” (15%). Most independents and most Democrats are in neither the "socialist" nor the "capitalist" camp (though 21% identify as socialists, versus 14% as capitalists). Most Republicans (57%), however, call themselves capitalists.

This is just another venue for our friends, the usual suspects on the "right" here, to whine and moan about social welfare ... which is interestingly NOT at all the same as Socialism, any kind of Socialism.

That's what they're talking about here ... notice the references to "getting free stuff" ... that has nothing to do with socialism of any kind.

Also notice that these folks are just fine with Christian churches and big corporations "getting free stuff" just not the working poor who actually need the help.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: infolurker

Jesus would have nothing to do with politics.

If you knew Jesus, you would not have said that.. LOL

And if you knew jesus you would know he didn't come to start a new religion.
You don't see the throwing of the lenders tables in the temple as a political act?

Or what about his battles with the Pharisees? Its not stretching the imagination to see his acts were very political in nature.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Pharisees (/ˈfærəˌsiːz/) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land during the time of Second Temple Judaism. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (the term 'Judaism' today almost always refers to Rabbinic Judaism).
Conflicts between Pharisees and Sadducees took place in the context of much broader and longstanding social and religious conflicts among Jews, dating back to the time of slavery in Egypt and exacerbated by the Roman conquest.[1] Another conflict was cultural, between those who favored Hellenization (the Sadducees) and those who resisted it (the Pharisees). A third was juridico-religious, between those who emphasized the importance of the Second Temple with its rites and services, and those who emphasized the importance of other Mosaic Laws. A fourth point of conflict, specifically religious, involved different interpretations of the Torah and how to apply it to current Jewish life, with Sadducees recognizing only the Written Torah (with Greek philosophy) and rejecting doctrines such as the Oral Torah, the Prophets, the Writings, and the resurrection of the dead.

Everything in and of itself is political, the elephant could be in the room and they will still attempt to troll reality.

Now let me go and Stretch my legs. I have a movie I need to return and some ice cream to eat.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

5 million people...

Doesn't work so well with 330m when there is a lot of slack.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Also notice that these folks are just fine with Christian churches and big corporations "getting free stuff" just not the working poor who actually need the help.

No one should get free stuff.

a reply to: Lysergic

5 million people...

Doesn't work so well with 330m when there is a lot of slack.

How do you know?

a reply to: Gryphon66

That was a large bit of honesty, and I, for one, appreciate it. And yes, they certainly do whine a lot.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs


Math.

When a majority isn't putting in, there is no free ride to be given.

If this is so plausible and effective why isn't used in every large population nation?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

We definitely need structural reforms, but just like war. More Socialism isn't going to fix Socialism.

In other news I just saw this movie called "Cuban Fury" about two dudes fighting over a girl in a strip club or something. I think the premise of the movie is wrong, but eh, maybe I'll see what it's all about anyway.

I use that as an example to state that resources are like two guys fighting over a girl. There is only enough girl for one guy.

Anyway, I think I'm going to wake up now, ore maybe go back to sleep, I don't know.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Also notice that these folks are just fine with Christian churches and big corporations "getting free stuff" just not the working poor who actually need the help.

No one should get free stuff.

No one does.

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

No one does.

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Precisely my point. Someone, somewhere is footing that bill.

originally posted by: MontukKraken

I use that as an example to state that resources are like two guys fighting over a girl. There is only enough girl for one guy.

I accidentally stumbled onto this movie while innocently perusing the internet. The central plotline demonstrated that two gentlemen can indeed share the same 'resource'.

Don't like socialism? Too bad, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. It could take 5 years or 50, be a slow and almost unnoticeable transition or happen in a sudden flash of ferocious revolution, but I firmly believe it will happen in Western society because of what I consider to be the endgame of unchecked capitalism.

The disparity and wealth gap between the so-called 99% and the 1% grows all the more ludicrous every year, merger after mega-merger is limiting consumer choice to a handful of corporations that reap higher profits while exploiting tax loopholes and paying meager wages to the workers, who have to work more hours to support a falling standard of living when compared to their predecessors. Hell, you even have federal governments artificially supporting some of these enormous corporate entities that are "too big to fail" with taxpayer money!

If you hate socialism, how do you think this is all going to end? Do you honestly think it will get better somehow, or the common people will simply grin and bear it ad infinum?

The red flag is coming sooner than you think, and you can give it any pretty and sanitized name you want. It doesn't change what it is and what it truly represents: a population close to their breaking point.

Except for the 'working poor'.... 'who need it'....

No one gets a free lunch.

Suddenly, I feel poor, unemployed and in need of just as good a life as the guy that works for a living.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gryphon66

No one does.

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Precisely my point. Someone, somewhere is footing that bill.

Footing the bill? Sure, we pay taxes, those taxes are used for all kinds of things.

But, in regard to most social welfare, the "free dollars" are going right back into the local economies: grocery stores, landlords, etc.

Where do the the "free dollars" go that we throw away on the megachurches and metacorps?

Mansions. Private planes. Swiss bank accounts.

Not even close to the same thing.