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While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism

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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I claimed that the dollars of the working poor go right into the local economy. If they don't, where do they go?

You're now skipping gleefully from the macro to the micro. No one likes taxes, Augustus. No one likes how they get spent 100%.

Which is more painful ... to see your brutal taxes feed someone that is hungry, or buy a rivet on a pastor's personal jet?

There is a difference.




posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

ASK Rothchild he might have a clue...



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
We've allowed a corporate take over of our government -- something that should never have happened in the first place.


We have allowed ALL special interests to take over our government via lobbying. The corporations are just one of many greasing the skids.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Do you think we can tax the super rich and all's good?
If not, you disprove your own vapid generalization.
No one thinks as you are saying. You're merely spouting empty garbage propaganda as much as anyone else in this discussion.
But, I will agree with you that the middle class was squeezed into non-existence ... but it was not by social welfare programs.


I see a whole lot of people I would call middle class so I would say your common statement of "middle class was squeezed into non-existence" is a great example of your very own vapid generalization.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?


Where did their money go?


Into the holes that were dug then filled in.


Great sniping empty post!

Again, where does the money supposedly extorted from the rich go? Does it evaporate?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
I claimed that the dollars of the working poor go right into the local economy. If they don't, where do they go?



So do mine.


Which is more painful ... to see your brutal taxes feed someone that is hungry, or buy a rivet on a pastor's personal jet?

There is a difference.


My massive state/local taxes are mostly used for the bloated and inefficient school budget. Feeding the hungry is not even remotely high on that list.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

The actions of the rich ruling "job producing class" has eradicated anything resembling a middle class in this country.

If you would deny that, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for you.


Give me a list of actions to assess and reply to, G66. Don't make generic statements. Save yourself some time and only list the actions that were possible to achieve without government intervention and/or preference.

Trust me, it'll be a short list.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

It a very sound and unassailable theory. The dollar spent by one is no better than the dollar spent by another.


It would be nice to have the choice of whether you spend it on whatever, or not spend it at all...



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes, your personal experiences are the measure of all things.


If you don't think the middle-class is disappearing or has mostly, what are you complaining about?

Ask Mr. Romney or any of the right-wingers in this thread who pays the most taxes? They will tell you ... the rich.

So what's the problem?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gryphon66

I find you quite reasonable on many topics. I just think you're talking through a theoretical hat on this particular issue.


It a very sound and unassailable theory. The dollar spent by one is no better than the dollar spent by another.


That is completely correct. The difference is that while that dollar has the same value no matter who has it, it means more in the hands of the poor and middle class because it will go to buy groceries, pay rent or a utility bill. They desperately need it. A dollar in the hands of a wealthy person means less to the welfare of our nation because they are not is desperate need of it to pay the bills.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Jesus would have nothing to do with politics.

If you knew Jesus, you would not have said that.. LOL

This is where Christianity is the polar opposite of Islam. The great commission is to tell the gospel and the good news of Jesus Christ to the whole world so that they may enter the kingdom of God. Not try to make heaven on earth (or hell on earth under Islam that is).

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”


You are mistaken.

The Lord's Prayer



9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


Jesus didn't tell his followers to pray for the impossible.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

I'll stop making generic statements right after you do.

If you want a serious answer, ask a serious question.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?


Where did their money go?


Into the holes that were dug then filled in.


Great sniping empty post!

Again, where does the money supposedly extorted from the rich go? Does it evaporate?


No, I answered it. The money goes into non-productive directions. Nothing get accomplished. Taking from the deep end of the pool to fill in the shallow end.

Please keep up.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I'll stop making generic statements right after you do.

If you want a serious answer, ask a serious question.


I can't help it if you don't take this seriously.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?


Where did their money go?


Into the holes that were dug then filled in.


Great sniping empty post!

Again, where does the money supposedly extorted from the rich go? Does it evaporate?


No, I answered it. The money goes into non-productive directions. Nothing get accomplished. Taking from the deep end of the pool to fill in the shallow end.

Please keep up.


LOL. You're a riot. Which end are you in?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66


LOL. You're a riot. Which end are you in?

He's in the "lots of bacon" end.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

AH good then perhaps YOU can clearly define it for us all from your lector professor.


No I'd I rather sit back and laugh to be honest.

Nice little jab at Communist Russia on the last page, one of the reasons I had a good chuckle.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Understood the dangers? Corporations and banks were major issues that, among others, brought the Founders to the point of declaring independence and revolting against the crown!

I'm confident you understand that, but why is it so hard for others?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
We've allowed a corporate take over of our government -- something that should never have happened in the first place.


We have allowed ALL special interests to take over our government via lobbying. The corporations are just one of many greasing the skids.


Agreed! Although I would counter with corporations have more resources and can exert more control. However, on a fundamental level -- yes, I totally agree. We're never going to be able to rid ourselves of people trying to influence the political process, but we should *at least* not make it as easy as we have it now.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: introvert


What we are seeing now is the swing back to socialism and I hope we find a happy medium between the two.


This is key. Capitalism isn't without it's failures. We're experiencing it's failures today! Both systems have failures and positive aspects. Capitalism is not the perfect system many of us were brain washed to believe. Every system has it's bugs, and capitalism certainly has it's share. A balance of both systems with public over-sight can eliminate some of the greed, power influences and huge economic inequality that is damaging our social structure.

If Capitalism is an ideal system why do we have this?

-Millions of Americans can't afford healthcare coverage.

-Medical and Pharmaceuticals cost are skyrocketing because of greed and inefficiency

-Insurance companies are deciding treatments instead of your own personal doctor.

-Banking Has Become an Oligopoly Instead of a Competitive Business

-Celebrities, Musicians and Athletes are considered to be worth more in monetary value to society than Doctors, healthcare workers, Engineers. Educators, Scientists, Chemical Engineers and Farmers, just to name of few.

-Full ride scholarships are given more to athletes than to young people who have worked hard and excelled in Academics. (It kind of shows you how greed and profit in Athletic Programs has become more important than the quality and intelligence of the student at universities around the country).

-Businesses take advantage of low wages overseas and in the United States.

-Corporations and the rich are influencing our system of government.

-The working class is paying more than their fair share of taxes than the wealthy.

-Corporations don't pay their fair share in taxes and some don't pay nothing at all!

-Corporations hide their riches overseas.

-The rich and the elite are treated differently than the average citizen in our criminal justice system. (How many bankers were arrested during the financial collapse in 2008?)

-The system doesn't have heart. Too many people fall through the cracks due to no fault of their own. (If you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth, or your parents didn't have the money to send you to college or a trade school, or if you're mentally or physically challenged, or if you're not lucky to be in the right place at the right time, or if you don't have the political contacts, you're at a complete disadvantage).

I heard this saying in high school many times... "Capitalisim isn't the best system, but it's the best system there is." We'll there's no reason not to improve on a system that has it's flaws. There's nothing wrong with taking the positive aspects of Socialism and combining it with the positive aspects of Capitalism. I guess the term "You can't teach an old dog new tricks", can certainly be applied in this case.






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