While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism

Progressive Socialism is on the move with Democrats. I guess I was hoping to never see this in my lifetime and it is crazy how fast this insanity (in my opinion) has spread in less than a decade. I guess the dumbed down US education system has succeeded in political indoctrination since they can't teach anything else but propaganda.


today.yougov.com...

Socialism remains less popular than capitalism in the United States: only 25% of adults have a favorable opinion of it, while 48% view capitalism positively. Among Democrats, however, the balance is flipped, with 49% favorable to socialism compared to 37% for capitalism.

I will close with these quotes which put it in perspective:


In the US, if you're a Socialist, you call yourself a progressive, because it sounds like you're "for progress", even though in reality, Socialism is completely "regressive", given that it has failed every time that it has been tried, leaving countries economically stagnant or devastated. The only reason why David Cameron calls himself a "progressive", is because he agrees with the morality of collectivist-altruism, which lies at the root of Socialism. How can he oppose an insidious political ideology, such as Socialism, when he can't even bring himself to oppose its moral code? - Rougie, London

"Progressives" are people who believe that humankind can be perfected, transformed from a base or fallen state to an enlightened or exalted state. Most modern religions depend on this view, as does Marxist political thought and western humanism.
The trouble, of course, is that having a Great Idea on behalf of everyone else usually ends in tragedy - Stalin, Mao, the Crusades, Iraq, Afghanistan... As John Gray so brilliantly outlines in his books - try Straw Dogs - the progressive view is fundamentally flawed. It cannot overcome the species nature of the human animal, and all attempts to do so are chimerical. Give me a non-progressive politician any day. - David, Cirencester, UK

a reply to: infolurker

Nothing wrong with being helpful to the people who needs help. That's also a christian view, am i right?

a reply to: infolurker

What's the alternative?

originally posted by: mikkelno
a reply to: infolurker

Nothing wrong with being helpful to the people who needs help. That's also a christian view, am i right?

Are you being serious?

Being relieved of your property and the fruits of your labor by the threat of government (fines, prison, or barrel of a gun) is not a Christian view.

a reply to: infolurker

A gift economy would be interesting if it was supported by an identification card that regulated the people who try to cheat any system

and if you dont work we will still help but your access to 'gifts' are drastically cut to minimal

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: infolurker

What's the alternative?

You must be in college!

LOL... that is a good one.

The answer is and always has been transparent "non interference, non cronyism capitalism" with firm banking, fraud, and insider trading regulations.

originally posted by: mikkelno
Nothing wrong with being helpful to the people who needs help. That's also a christian view, am i right?

Compulsory charity is not charity.

Of course the 50% of people that don't embrace personal responsibility are going to want to have the Government take care of them. I am surprised it so low.

originally posted by: mikkelno
a reply to: infolurker

Nothing wrong with being helpful to the people who needs help. That's also a christian view, am i right?

Socialism and charity are two different things. Christians believe in charity. Socialism robs us of the chance to be charitable.

If you have nothing of your own to give, then you cannot be charitable. Socialism takes away your personal property rights in the fiction that everyone owns everything. If what's mine is yours and what's yours is mine, then there is no need for me to ever give you anything as it's theoretically all yours anyhow.

Charity presumes that I have what you don't and you have a need for it, so I see your need to voluntarily give to you to make you whole and fulfill your needs.

a reply to: infolurker

this is what happens when you trust someone

"" While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism ""

well of course !!

the majority of Democrats are in and below the lower middle class

all going according to plan

originally posted by: Metallicus
Of course the 50% of people that don't embrace personal responsibility are going to want to have the Government take care of them. I am surprised it so low.

Ah, I remember how Romney was lambasted for his remarks about the 47%, and now doesn't this poll more or less bear that out?

a reply to: infolurker

It's coming. Too many hate the idea of responsibility and self reliance.

Conservative = Conserve the Capitalist past, keep to the Status Quo.

Socialism = Applying to everyone, fair taxes, fair employment legislation, Human Rights, a fair society.

I appreciate many of our cousins across the pond have been brainwashed into thinking socialism is the devil incarnate. But would you rather have your taxes subsidising big business or supporting those who are vulnerable and less capable than most of society?

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

Conservative = Conserve the Capitalist past, keep to the Status Quo?

I am certainly not a Conservative and I am a staunch Capitalist.

The only reason socialism is on the rise is because we are living through the failures of capitalism. While there are dangers to uncontrolled socialism, the same is true with capitalism.

What we are seeing now is the swing back to socialism and I hope we find a happy medium between the two.

Free-market capitalism is as much of a Utopian idea as is kumbaya-socialism.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

Conservative = Conserve the Capitalist past, keep to the Status Quo?

I am certainly not a Conservative and I am a staunch Capitalist.

Of course you are.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

Of course you are.

Which shows your generalizing is incorrect:

Conservative = Conserve the Capitalist past, keep to the Status Quo.

a reply to: infolurker

Being relieved of your property and the fruits of your labor by the threat of government (fines, prison, or barrel of a gun) is not a Christian view.

Evidently - but I'll bet Jesus would vote for Bernie before he'd vote for, well - any of the GOP candidates

a reply to: infolurker

I think the kind of socialism people supports is the democratic socialism which is nothing like ehat you stated about relieving of property.
Also, fines and inprisonment happens in every country and in every kind of ggovernment type. Social democratic countries are in no way worse than america on that point.