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While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism

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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I think we spend too much on defense and I am against all corporate welfare.

See - Augustus, THIS is why I love you, even though we disagree on some things.





posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No one here has claimed that a dollar spent by a poor person is different from a dollar spent elsewhere. Strawman.

Destination of federal taxes: Federal Budget

State and local taxes vary.

I have not said that dollars spent by the poor are better than yours. I did state that they almost immediately go back into the local economy. I'd like to see you deny that fact directly.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Also a very good point.

The middle-class typically bears the brunt of footing the bills for many of these programs.


Actually that is where the vast majority of the taxes will come from to pay for all of it. Everyone thinks we can tax the super rich 90% and all's good...boy what a joke.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

This country used to have a corporate charter system that did not allow them to put money in to the political process and they were required to provide a product or service that benefited the common good. If they didn't, they were disbanded. The first corporations in this country were public works projects, churches and schools.

We have the foundation of a country that can find a perfect mix of socialism and capitalism that also protects the rights of the individual. But we have been trained to believe that only capitalism can exist and socialism leads to Hitler or Stalin.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

See - Augustus, THIS is why I love you, even though we disagree on some things.



Thank you. I think most people will find I am quite reasonable and generally have a rather moderate view on topics.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

You mean kids that are saddled with enormous debt who watch their friends graduate and work for $10-$15 per hour ensuring they will be in debt until death while 1% run around with no concerns want a society where funds are distributed more evenly?

No F'n Way. End Sarcasm

The kids have the mentality they have because they are waking up to the insanity and demanding a better future. And they are willing to do anything but continue doing what isn't working for them. It's not about being lazy or wanting hand outs. They want a job that provides a living wage, nothing more.

So many of you are both against the 1% running our lives and against Socialism. Yet you fail to see the contradiction.

Capitalism without living wages and a cap on extreme wealth and income disparity will always end in Fascism.

Massive income disparity always leads to the poor pushing for Socialism. As long as the wealthy maintain their wealth superiority Socialism always ends in Fascism.

There is no end to unlimited wealth but an insatiable desire for power, which always leads to Facisim.

The only way to end Fascism is to end Elitism. The only way to end Elitism is to cap wealth.

As long as we accept Private banking and/or unlimited wealth we will always be slaves to a few at the top.

Eliminate Private Banking, Usury and put a cap on wealth and the system will never collapse. Failure to do these three things guarantees Facisim followed by financial collapse.

Those who don't learn from the past deserve to repeat it.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I think most people will find I am quite reasonable and generally have a rather moderate view on topics.

If they give you an honest listen/read, yes they will.





posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: mikkelno
a reply to: infolurker

Nothing wrong with being helpful to the people who needs help. That's also a christian view, am i right?


Are you being serious?

Being relieved of your property and the fruits of your labor by the threat of government (fines, prison, or barrel of a gun) is not a Christian view.


I thought it was "give unto Cesar what is Cesar's" and love thy neighbor as thyself?

Paul had something to say about taxes in the Bible:

Romans 13:5-7:


Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


Jesus was pretty anti-materialistic as well:

Matt 6:24:


You can’t serve both God and money. -Jesus


Jesus was a homeless wandering teacher, and I thought that Christians strive to be like Jesus? After driving around on a Sunday, and seeing parking lots of churches filled with $50,000 SUV's ... I have to wonder where/when the message got lost.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Also a very good point.

The middle-class typically bears the brunt of footing the bills for many of these programs.


Actually that is where the vast majority of the taxes will come from to pay for all of it. Everyone thinks we can tax the super rich 90% and all's good...boy what a joke.


Do you think we can tax the super rich and all's good?

If not, you disprove your own vapid generalization.

No one thinks as you are saying. You're merely spouting empty garbage propaganda as much as anyone else in this discussion.

But, I will agree with you that the middle class was squeezed into non-existence ... but it was not by social welfare programs.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

What middle class?

The actions of the rich ruling "job producing class" has eradicated anything resembling a middle class in this country.

If you would deny that, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for you.


I live pretty good, and I'm far from rich, so I guess I'm middle class...



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
No one here has claimed that a dollar spent by a poor person is different from a dollar spent elsewhere. Strawman.


You do by claiming that welfare 'goes right into the local economy'. So would my tax dollars had they not been taken. That is the true strawman and the point of Basitat's economic theory.


State and local taxes vary.


Yeah, and mine are brutal.


I have not said that dollars spent by the poor are better than yours. I did state that they almost immediately go back into the local economy. I'd like to see you deny that fact directly.


Again, not the point I am making. Theirs very well may do so, much as mine would-if I still had it.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

See - Augustus, THIS is why I love you, even though we disagree on some things.



Thank you. I think most people will find I am quite reasonable and generally have a rather moderate view on topics.


I find you quite reasonable on many topics. I just think you're talking through a theoretical hat on this particular issue.




posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?


Where did their money go?



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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Read another way: "49% of Democrats have no idea what Socialism is."



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

I find you quite reasonable on many topics. I just think you're talking through a theoretical hat on this particular issue.


It a very sound and unassailable theory. The dollar spent by one is no better than the dollar spent by another.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
After the ultra wealthy get taxed and their money is gone, who will get taxed next?


Where did their money go?


Into the holes that were dug then filled in.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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You guys are funny.

But you haven't the slightest clue what Socialism actually is.



In fact "but" nothing, that's why you guys are funny.
edit on 25-10-2015 by CharlieSpeirs because: Spellzering mistokes!



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: introvert

A constitutional republic (like we claim to have) should be used to temper out of control, runaway, unrestrained capitalism. This is why we used to have the aforementioned restrictions and safeties in place that you mentioned. Our founders understood the inherent dangers of out of control corporate interests.

The problem? We've allowed the wolf into the hen house. Those restrictions were stripped away and replaced with favorable legislation by the very people they benefit. We've allowed a corporate take over of our government -- something that should never have happened in the first place.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

AH good then perhaps YOU can clearly define it for us all from your lector professor.



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