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originally posted by: Aliian
originally posted by: stosh64
originally posted by: Aliian
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Aliian
I wouldnt Call killing free speach. This killing was free physical action without Words.
Right. And you're probably offended by it. You have your own definition of free speech. They have theirs.
You have different beliefs. They simply believe that if offended they have right to return offense. So, they have spoken, using their language. The language of action.
You are either trolling for a reaction, insane or a true Islamic extremist.
You will get no further response from me.
Yeah. That's the problem. Refusing to believe that others have a different belief and act according to their own understanding of free speech, is the source of all this drama. If you could explain why you could have a right to offend without expecting a response in return, I'd be happy to hear it.
originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: Shiloh7
do we allow immigrant islamists to run our countries by force of gun and murder
Incredible accusations, you just solved the case. congratulations.
Everything ties "neatly" to prophet Muhammad and islamists... hum...how about false flag operations... in the world of false appearances everything is possible...
We should always ask who benefits from this type of events before jump into conclusions.. not to mention until there's actual accusations, based on proof's and conviction, of course.
btw live a link please.
originally posted by: TryAndStopTheFuture555
a reply to: Shiloh7
None of the extreme Islam stuff can be fixed until US government is destroyed.
Pretty bold statement, isn't it.
I can write 1000 pages but who other than NSA will read it, so I will make it simple.
Islam is 1500 years old, where were they in the 1940s, 50s 60s 70s
US government under strategist Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski created with the help of Saudis FIRST organized group of Mujaheddin in Afghanistan to fight the proxy war with Russians.
After that it just spiraled out of control, and Israel didn't help the matter either.
US government will be the end of us all. And maybe we deserve it because we don't see it.
WHO DO YOU THINK MADE ISIS POSSIBLE BY GIVING 500 MILLION DOLLARS OF US TAXPAYER MONEY TO SYRIAN REBELS.
THIS ISN'T EVEN A CONSPIRACY PEOPLE, THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION
According RTL significant exchange of gunfire took place there a few minutes ago on the national 2 to Dammartin-en-Goële in Seine-et-Marne, a few kilometers from Roissy. A car was stolen earlier in Montagny Sainte-Félicité (Oise) by two armed individuals corresponding to the reporting Kouachi brothers.
At abouit 8:40 AM to a vehicle, that a gray Peugeot, was stolen from a motorist, in the municipality of Montagny-sainte-Bliss. The perpetrators, who matched the profile of the two brothers crossed the Oise to go until Seine-et-Marne. It is then that a major exchange of fire took place with the police.
According to several media, a hostage taking was underway in a business in Dammartin-en-Goële, Seine et Marne, a few kilometers from Roissy Airport. This would be a business located in the business section of the city according to a witness on RTL. At least one person is held by terrorists.
The security forces are deploying to Dammartin-en-Goële. The entrance to the village is blocked by the N2, according to our special correspondent Edward Mareschal. A truck of research and intervention brigade (BRI) stationed at the entrance of the village while 5 helicopters flying over the area. The security forces are positioned in front of a business in yellow and blue logo. It could be a construction company.
A witness contacted by LeFigaro.fr, several helicopters of the security forces are mobilized around Dammartin-en-Goële (Seine-et-Marne), where a hostage is currently underway. The mayors of surrounding municipalities have ordered residents to stay home.
The Kouachi brothers are entrenched in a business Dammartin-en-Goële. "The counter terrorist forces deployed yesterday" were moved to Dammartin-en-Goële, the GIGN arrives on site, said the interior minister, who praised the "responsiveness" of the unit.
Moreover, Bernard Cazeneuve announced that "important developments occurred" in the investigation into the shooting of Montrouge, where a police officer was killed yesterday morning.
According to Leparisien.fr and RTL, the exchange of gunfire this morning between the car thieves and the police, in the Oise, produced two fatalities and about twenty wounded.
The mayor confirmed our colleagues at Le Monde that hostages were taken at at business called Creation Trend Discovery, located rue Clément Ader to Dammartin-en-Goële. This is a very small company with about five employees.
A businessman that had an appointment on Friday morning in the company of Dammartin-en-Goële where hostages were taken, testified on France Info. "I met a terrorist, I shook his hand and I said hello." The killer replied, "Sir, we do not kill civilians."
"I'm going to play the lottery because I have been very lucky this morning," added the man, free, safe and sound.
Citizens of the world,
On Jan 7, 2015, freedom of speech has suffered hard. Terrorists breached into "Charlie Hebdo" newspaper's premises and shot several satirical cartoon artists, journalists and two policemen. The criminals are still on the run. Disgusted and also shocked, we can't fall down, it is our responsibility to react.
First, we wish to express our condolences to the victims's families of this cowardly and despicable act. We are all affected by the death of Cabu, Charb, Tignous and Wolinski, who were great artists that impressed by their talents all the history of the press and died for its freedom. We do not forget other victims of the attack, just because they were across terrorists's way, and other injured people still fighting for their life.
It's obvious that some people don't want, in a free world, this sacrosanct right to express in any way one's opinions. Anonymous has always fought for the freedom of speech, and will never let this right besmirched by obscurantism and mysticism. "Charlie Hebdo", historical figure of satirical journalism has been targeted. Anonymous must remind every citizens that the press's freedom is a fundement of the democracy. Opinions, speech, newspaper articles without threats nor pressure, all those things are rights you can't change.
Tackle the freedom of speech is a direct hit to democracy. Expect a massive reaction from us, because this freedom is what we've been always fighting for.
We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
According to Le Point, the shooter who killed a policewoman yesterday morning in Montrouge and perpetrators of the attack against Charlie Hebdo would be all three from the famous Jihadist group Buttes Chaumont. So far, no link had been established between the two attacks.
Testimony of a young employee of a warehouse in 5 km from the hostage-taking:
"I work in a warehouse about five kilometers from the site where happens hostages were taken at. There are some police who barricaded all the roads. We can not make our deliveries this morning. We are all locked inside the warehouse, with orders not to go out. About an hour ago, we heard gunshots. "
The man stopped in Meaux Street in Paris, near the Porte de Pantin, told our colleague Europe 1 Kouachi how the two brothers approached to steal his vehicle.
"The driver goes armed with a machine pistol I found out later that it was a Kalashnikov Since I had my open window he said to me... 'Get out of your car, we need your car. 'I got out of my car. At that time arrives a second person riding passenger side with a gun as a sort of grenade on the end. Definitely a grenade launcher, something like that. He moved to the front and I, at that time, I have the reflex to open the back door and say, "I'm going to get my dog." They let him get his dog and he was able to escape with his dog, unharmed.
He described them as 'very very quiet, very determined, very poised, very professional, commandos! He never raised his voice, they never ran, they never seemed excited. They were not sweating, nothing like that. People on a mission, which gave the impression of being on an operation. On leaving, they told me, "If ever you address ... well, if the media ask you , you will say, "This is Al-Qaeda in Yemen ".
The GIGN leads the maneuver.
(From Wikipedia.org:The National Gendarmerie Intervention Group, commonly abbreviated GIGN (French: Groupe d'Intervention de la Gendarmerie Nationale), is a special operations unit of the French Armed Forces. It is part of the National Gendarmerie and is trained to perform counter-terrorist and hostage rescue missions in France or anywhere else in the world.)
The police of Raid are in support.
(From Wikipedia.org: Recherche Assistance Intervention Dissuasion (Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence) or RAID is, like the GIPN, a special operations tactical unit of the French National Police with more manpower and equipment. It is a nationwide unit, and, as a counterterrorism unit, has an exclusive jurisdiction on the 21 closest départements of Paris. It is the National Police's primary anti-terrorism unit and the counterpart of the GIGN of the Gendarmerie Nationale.)
The negotiations had not, a priori, started in the late morning. The topography of the plant, its coming and its surroundings is carefully analyzed.
The objective is to take the Kouachi brothers alive, as is the policy of the elite gendarmes. They are convinced that suspected terrorists are determined and heavily armed. The idea of surrender is far from certain.
Army General Denis Favier, CEO of the National Gendarmerie who led the assault against the Marignane Airbus in December 1994, directs the operations in person.