a reply to: DJW001
Good morning DJW001!
As I've posted, you use language such like "The Prophet" (Capital P no less) so to appease and befriend Muslims who would be offended otherwise, and
to defend this by writing: "I use proper terms of address when appropriate, as a point of etiquette." only serves to compound my earlier point! Since
if you write Mohammed was a warrior involved in warrior exploits (that and not a prophet of God) then you writing The Prophet isn't "an appropriate
term of address." Rather what you're saying is that it's an expedient term of address, convenient and practical although possibly improper or immoral.
I've never greeted Muslims through assalamualaikum because I'm not Muslim in outlook, doing so would make someone an unashamed fraud, apparently
you're happy saying and writing The Prophet whilst disbelieving in prophets in the fashion which Muslims believe, in addition you also don't believe
in Allah who's supposedly sent them!
'Each surya in the Qu'ran that establishes a law will generally end "provided that it is done with Mercy and Compassion." Look it up!'
I'm truly hoping this isn't what you're grounding "the Prophet's teachings of compassion" upon, it's tantamount (though not selfsame) to writing:
"Mohammed's teachings are compassionate because Mohammed's book says they're compassionate, look it up!" Outrageous reasoning DJW001, regardless let's
continue by way of how you decide an issue is either compassionate or something otherwise, because "in the name of god the merciful, the
compassionate." begins every chapter of the Qur'an save one, chapter nine, the last major chapter of the Qur'an and its most violent, hence
Allah's/Mohammed's final orders are without an assertion of compassion and mercy which you find so compelling. Nonetheless nobody believes someone to
teach compassion because they say they do, perhaps you were being expedient when you called Mohammed's teachings compassionate, which would mean
everything you write is filtered and rewritten so to conform to somebody's interpretation of etiquette, rather than simply writing something
"I have never claimed that "Islam is a religion of peace."
Could you perhaps clarify what Islam is then, since in the above you appear to be saying Islam isn't a religion of peace. In addition "True Muslims
feel like this" (as written by yourself) appears to be you asserting who's a real Muslim and who isn't, which I'm unperturbed by if what you're
writing is based upon anything, which thus far it appears it isn't. Who exactly is a true Muslim according to your viewpoint?
"I am curious: what makes you think Jews greet each other by cursing Jesus?"
Considering Jesus Himself was Jewish I thoroughly doubt Jews curse Him upon their daily greetings! Rather I wanted to shoot a familiar theme through
all three of the hypothetical conversations, Jesus is in fact a perfect figure to do this with. Actually in the case of Messianic Jews they'd greet
one another in the name of Jesus their Jewish Messiah!
"The Prophet wanted to abolish idolatry, not set himself up as a new idol." & "Nevertheless, the intent of the Qu'ranic injunctions are to make a
warlike people more merciful and compassionate."
Isaiah 1:18, which I thoroughly enjoy, reads: "Come let us reason together," Let's both examine Mohammed and the Qur'anic intentions therefore, as
you're proclaiming what's what with regards to intentions without quoting anything of the belief system. Firstly you believe Mohammed wasn't
attempting to make an idol of himself, however that goes directly against the way in which Mohammed believed himself the excellent example of conduct.
Professor Maqsood Jafri writing On The Character of Prophet Muhammad explains: "No blot or blemish on his character can be found." Imagine if you or I
made so absurd a claim about ourselves! Or perhaps told others we were an example for all of humankind, yet Mohammed makes this claim regarding
himself between the pages of the Qur'an, as shown through Qur'an 33:21.
Furthermore Muslims are ordered through their Qur'an to help Mohammed, and to revere Mohammed, and to glorify Mohammed day and night! (Qur'an 48:8-9.)
Is the Qur'an infallible by 'Abdallah 'Abd al-Fadi goes into greater detail concerning Qur'an 48:8-9.
“This sentence is disrupted because of a sudden shift from addressing Muhammad to addressing other people. Apart from this, the accusative pronoun
in ‘succour Him, and reverence Him’ refers, beyond doubt, to Muhammad, who was mentioned earlier, not to God as the English translator understood
it. But ‘give Him glory’ refers to God. The entire verse is chaotic. The reader cannot be expected to understand its true meaning from the
arrangement of words. It is kufr (‘unbelief’) to say ‘succour Him, and reverence Him, and that you may give Him glory at the dawn and in the
evening’ about Muhammad, since glory should be given to God alone. It is also kufr to make such a statement with reference to God, since God
almighty is not in need for succour or help!”
Without cajoling of the text its meaning is plain, Mohammed claimed himself to be an idol of glory and reverence.
Moreover Mohammed informed his followers: "(Say) O Muhammad!: (If ye love Allah) and His religion, (follow me) follow my Religion; (Allah will love
you) He will increase your love (and forgive you your sins) which were committed when you followed Judaism. (Allah is Forgiving) of whoever repents,
(Merciful) towards whoever dies in a state of repentance. This verse was revealed about the Jews who claimed they were the children of Allah and His
beloved ones. When this verse was revealed 'Abdullah Ibn Ubayy said: “Muhammad is commanding us to love him as the Christians loved Jesus”, and
the Jews said: “Muhammad wants us to take him as a compassionate Lord, just as the Christians took Jesus as a compassionate Lord." (Tanwîr
al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Q. 3:31.)
Clarification comes by way of the Qur'an: 'Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you
your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."' You being an atheist wouldn't believe anything of Qur'an 3:31 coming from Allah, hence it's Mohammed
that directly connects a person's salvation upon their reaction to him. Culminating in today's anarchy there's scant reason to doubt that Mohammed and
an ongoing precession of his most loyal followers, most likely motivated by wealth and political power, continually exploited others through his
Resources that come to the above conclusion are compelling, whereas you too may quote the shahada, which reads "There's no god but Allah, and Mohammed
is his messenger." Yet even then your point is undermined by its conclusion. It's clear even the Muslim declaration of faith conjoins Allah with
Mohammed. Finally since "intent of the Qu'ranic injunctions" isn't dependant upon Allah's non-existent views, but on Mohammed's, an in-depth study of
Mohammed's deeds would better explain whether or not "the intent of the Qu'ranic injunctions are to make a warlike people more merciful and
compassionate." Yet judging by your last message nothing in it points to Mohammed being a man of outstanding moral character, in fact you accept my
points regarding his torture, rapes, murders, kidnappings and thievery, so how can the Qur'an (an expression of his faulty moral views) be considered
useful in attempting to be morally upright?
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