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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: nullafides
The "War on Terror" has done nothing more than create more terrorists!
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
You say I can't handle the truth? I say you don't know the truth.
originally posted by: nullafides
I feel that Jack Nicholson's idea here is correct, but not in regards to the PFC Santiago the movie focuses on.
How in the world do people actually expect information to be gained? What, are we supposed to be English LEO's who have to quote Monty Python by saying "STOP, or I'll say STOP again!!!!" ?
Pure pain and torture will not work at the same levels, or for the same duration, for every potential source of information. This is where I feel the CIA has gone wrong. They failed to assess the level of what would work vs what was beyond the point of being effective.
I worked with a man who served in Vietnam as an intelligence specialist. He said that when he strongly suspected that four or fewer people knew something, but they suspected one in particular, they'd gather all four of them up. They load them onto a huey, and take off to about 400 feet. Starting with the least likely to know or speak the truth, they'd clearly state their question. If they didn't answer, out the door. The man I worked with said that by the time they got to the one they felt strongest about knowing the truth, that person would always talk. And that over 90% of the time, spill the truth.
Is this violent? Yes. Is this horrible? Yes. War is not pretty. Neither is gathering information from people as desperate as to strap bombs to themselves and take as many lives as they could, not to mention their own. These are the same types of people who would strap the bomb to a child.
I know that almost everyone here will cry out about how peace is the way. Humanity shouldn't stoop to such lows. Torture is wrong.
Sorry, if it's time for war, chivalry and knighthood is antiquated. How can you adhere to rules that others will not?
Flame on.
-NF
originally posted by: recapitulated
i see the distinction clearly
You forgot to add in there that the voters hire the politicians.
originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: yeahright
If you fight, or more correctly, HAVE to fight, you need to fight to win. Do what it takes.
-NF
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: amicktd
You forgot to add in there that the voters hire the politicians.
That may have been the case in the past, but I really don't see that as being true anymore. Politicians are bought and paid for now. The votes we cast on elections days are only to decide which face tells us what the corporations want them to say.