My thoughts on the CIA Torture "revelations"

originally posted by: aorAki

It probably also cost a lot of lives, or don't the North Vietnamese count?

well, they didnt seem to count when we were blasting them to # with machine guns

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Nope, only issue I have with voters is they are still buying into the governments game.

originally posted by: amicktd
My take is that torture is inevitable. Do I think its effective? Most likely, because if not why would it be used. I believe torture is a necessary tool at times. ISIS is cutting heads off of reporters. Do I feel sorry for them when they get beaten to within an inch of their life...Hell No! Do what you gotta do to get rid of the scum.

Even if inocents get caught up and tortured in the process?

As that happend at least 26 times in that report....

Give a goverment this much power and they will abuse it

a reply to: amicktd

Completely agreed, as I have seen you say in other threads:

VOTING IS A SCAM

Cheers!

a reply to: crazyewok

No worries, they already are without consent.

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Nope, only issue I have with voters is they are still buying into the governments game.

Well, you have to change the system from the inside...what are you doing about it?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Not voting...what about you?

a reply to: nullafides I do not believe any of this information would have ever been made public. If the Republicans had been running the country for the last 8 years. What was once OK to use during a Republican lead government suddenly became NOT OK in a Democratic lead government. So my question is this who was right?
I think that it would not matter how information is obtained. IMO. Does anyone think that if we had people captured, that the bad guys would not torture them? I do not call what we did as torture. I believe it simply was a very harsh and rugged form of interrogations. How are we suppose to do to obtain necessary information? Coddle and be nice and sweet to our prisoners?
As far as secret prisons is concerned. What where we suppose to do bring every prisoner back to America? I think NOT. So we had to set up some prisons elsewhere. No Big Deal.

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Not voting...what about you?

I'm Canadian, for context, eh?
Member of the executive of my local riding association, so when I squawk, it goes directly into the ears of those who matter. Signing nomination papers for the candidate that I want to see get into Parliament. Scrutineer at elections to ensure that vote goes down right, and to watch them counted. Asking insightful and awkward questions at party gatherings. Just generally being a pain in the arse to all 3 levels of government.

of course, that may not be quite as satisfying as sitting out my democratic vote, and boasting on line afterwards, but hey...ya do what you do!

originally posted by: Ceeker63
a reply to: nullafides I do not believe any of this information would have ever been made public. If the Republicans had been running the country for the last 8 years. What was once OK to use during a Republican lead government suddenly became NOT OK in a Democratic lead government. So my question is this who was right?
I think that it would not matter how information is obtained. IMO. Does anyone think that if we had people captured, that the bad guys would not torture them? I do not call what we did as torture. I believe it simply was a very harsh and rugged form of interrogations. How are we suppose to do to obtain necessary information? Coddle and be nice and sweet to our prisoners?
As far as secret prisons is concerned. What where we suppose to do bring every prisoner back to America? I think NOT. So we had to set up some prisons elsewhere. No Big Deal.

So mutilation, death and rape is okay with you? Because that's what we did. It's in there.

You may say ramming food up someones anus isn't rape...but...I'd have to disagree with you. We let guys freeze to death. Remember also that we haven't seen thousands of pages of that report. We just have a summary. And this is just the stuff that Fienstien's group found out about...it's certainly not all of it.

We're better than those other guys. We don't rape and torture our prisoners...at least that's what we'd like to think.

And who benefited. We didn't get any really good info. The experts all agree that torture doesn't produce good results. The only person that benefited were Cheney's buddys... they made $50 billion off of 9/11 and this torture and all those thousands of American deaths and those hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.

originally posted by: Ceeker63
As far as secret prisons is concerned. What where we suppose to do bring every prisoner back to America? I think NOT. So we had to set up some prisons elsewhere. No Big Deal.

Those prisons were set up in willing-host countries so that the most egregious acts would not be subject to US law, but in a climate that had no such compunctions. How much of this torture was conducted on American soil...see a reason for that? Even Gitmo is rented.

"I already told you I don't know anything about any #ing setup; you can torture me all you want." -Marvin

Mr. Blonde: Torture you? That's a good idea. I like that!

"Listen kid, I'm not gonna bull# you, all right? I don't give a good fudge what you know, or don't know, but I'm gonna torture you anyway, regardless. Not to get information. It's amusing, to me, to torture a cop. You can say anything you want cause I've heard it all before. All you can do is pray for a quick death, which you ain't gonna get." -Mr. Blonde

Ha ha sorry had to do it. Prob my favorite torture scene from a movie.

a reply to: Ceeker63

But
the C.I.A WAS caught spying
on a Branch of the American Government.
Which is Ilegal.
Says so
in there "Charter to Exist".

right?

Can't spy on Americans, period.

a reply to: amazing

i still come back to the
killing with machine guns, bombs, grenades, etc is supposed to be fine but
torture=not fine

i still dont get it

originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: amazing

i still come back to the
killing with machine guns, bombs, grenades, etc is supposed to be fine but
torture=not fine

i still dont get it

Well would you rather be tortured for days on end, sexually assaulted, raped, mutilated, half frozen to death, beaten, etc for years. Or killed instantly with a bomb or bullet. I'll take instant death any day.

I think we have to face the fact that we are fighting a losing battle when it comes to instilling basic human values in future generations. More and more people are beginning to believe that torture is just fine because that is what our “leaders” are telling us.

We need to take a good, hard look at these people that tell us torture is OK. The CIA? Would that be the same CIA that used people as guinea pigs for medical “experiments?” Would that be the same CIA that brings in drugs from Mexico and Afghanistan and assists with laundering drug money for the cartels?

The Department of Defense? Would that be the same DoD where 1000s of employees bought child pornography, and the investigation was buried after 8 months with no charges against anyone?

There is no doubt in my mind that there are sick and twisted people in charge of this sort of thing. They will use any excuse to commit their tortures, rapes, and other depraved acts. Today, it’s “enhanced interrogation” to get “information” from “terrorists.” In a decade or two, it will be a group steroid abusing cops sodomizing a 14-year-old girl to get a murder confession. The Grand Jury will fail to indict.

a reply to: amazing

i dont really want either.
i see what you are getting at but i still dont fully grasp how it is ok to kill one way but not another.
ok to kill and maim on the battle field, but not ok to maim in a back room

ill just bow out cause my brain apparently is not capable of getting it

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

i quote "sodomizing a 14-year-old girl to get a murder confession",

wrong charge.

Unless they killed her.

Not the correct application of the LAW.

a reply to: Grovit

in one u kill the body, in the other u kill the Spirit.

"Beware of those who not only able too kill not only in body
but in Spirit also"

Torture kills the Spirit.

As well ass the Body,
Shows disrespect for the Human Mind,, as well.

a reply to: [post=18754404]JohnnyCanuck

What you do in your country has nothing to do with mine so I'm failing to see your point! Good on ya though, but yea I'll boast online as you say!