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Is Adam the true savior and not Yahweh? Yahweh hung on the cross for Genesis 9.
originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: zardust
What evidence do you have to reinforce your claims?
Worshipping Jesus, is a violation of "Thou shall not have other gods before me".
If we use Revelation as evidence, the first supposed Messiah, is the false one. Jesus is apparently the first messiah.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Why does any of this matter? Because Yahweh created the Snake for a reason.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
There is little room to think that Yahweh, the killer and blood thirsty Lord of the OT is anything but the Snake himself.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
When Yahweh became a Kinsman, he fulfilled this verse. God accounted the blood he shed to his account. We are told by the NT writers that the blood was accounted for our sin. What was our sin? We were deceived by the Snake Yahweh created when we were NAKED. We were also too naked to know the Snake was Yahweh's trained pet. Today, are we still naked, or do we have the ability to see this story that is out in the open and in our faces? What do we say of this story as told by Moses?
Originally posted by AlphaBet
“Everyone has his own specific vocation or mission in life to carry out; a concrete assignment which demands fulfillment. Therein he cannot be replaced, nor can his life be repeated. Thus, everyone’s task is as unique as his specific opportunity to implement it.” Victor Frankl
Scriptures often make use of use puns, using wordplay to relate one subject to another. This is evident in Genesis 2:25 to Genesis 3:1. As the story goes, the author of this text is Yahweh, recorded by Moses. If Moses created this text himself, we would need to justify his knowledge of ancient Hebrew history. Why? If his own story is to be believed, he was a baby saved from the Egyptian death squads, seeking to kill all firstborn children from the Hebrew tribes. What mark would this have left on Moses later in life? What motivation would Moses have for weaving this rather large riddle together? Is it possible he know who the true enemy of man was? Is it possible he made sure we would also know. What did Enoch say about the last "far off" generation? That's you by the way.
The text below contains the pun.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty [Arum / cunning] than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
The word cunning is the Hebrew word Arum, which also means naked in the form of Arummim.
Genesis 2:25 - 25 Adam and his wife were both naked [arummim / naked], and they felt no shame.
Naked is an easy symbol to define. As a new creation, Adam lacked the knowledge of good and evil. In other words, he was barren of knowledge and didn't know his own nature. As an innocent child, Adam was naive and vulnerable to temptation. This is where I will pause a moment to note something in relation. Naked also carries a double meaning. When a snake sheds its skin, it is seen as a new naked creature. It takes one skin off for another. Note the word play in the book of Job.
Job 2
3 Yahweh asked Satan, “Have you thought about my servant Job? No one in the world is like him! He is a man of integrity: He is decent, he fears Elohim, and he stays away from evil. And he still holds on to his principles. You’re trying to provoke me into ruining him for no reason.”
4 Satan answered Yahweh, “Skin for skin! Certainly, a man will give everything he has for his life. 5 But stretch out your hand, and strike his flesh and bones. I bet he’ll curse you to your face.”
When he says, "Skin for skin!," he is noting that the human will shed the body at death, but be reborn (baptized) back into the water. Job DID receive his children back again after the ordeal of Yahweh and Satan had ended. They were reborn. Thus, we see the Snake in the human. It's a parallel to the naked truth so to speak.
Note that Eve was stated to be Adam's wife, yet the nature of this relationship can only be designated by one fact: God had Made Adam BOTH male and female in HIS image, free from death. Note that Genesis 1 has NO restrictions to the tree of life. By God, of course, I means Elohim (Father) and Ruach Elohim (Mother) from Genesis 1. When Genesis 1 states, "Let us make man in our own image," it is clearly referring to Elohim and Ruach Elohim from above in the first verses. Ruach is the Holy Spirit (Feminine) and Elohim is Aleph Bet, or Father (Strong House). Why does any of this matter? Because Yahweh created the Snake for a reason.
When Adam was naked, before Eve was taken from his rib, Adam was complete and whole and entirely innocent. The first corruption of the flesh was when Yahweh shed Adam's blood (innocent Lamb with no blemish) to divide God's created image. We easily conclude that this involved surgery (putting Adam to sleep) and some sort of DNA extraction to produce the opposite gender. We might also conclude that this was a malicious attempt to thwart God's master creation by corruption the seed. We might also think Yahweh somehow had no idea the Snake would do this. I do not believe the latter. Yahweh appears to curse the snake later, but what purpose can we assume for a cunning creature doing the deception for its maker? There is little room to think that Yahweh, the killer and blood thirsty Lord of the OT is anything but the Snake himself. We know them by their fruit.
This raises a shocking conclusion if you follow the story forward. Yahweh is known by his own words as Adonai in BOTH the Old Testament and New. Later, as Jesus, he is again known as Adonai / LORD. The question is obvious. If he lied to Moses, twisting the story to his benefit, then what makes us think the same has not occurred in the New Testament? Or, did the writers know something, hiding it in their words? What is this mystery riddle that they constantly reminded us to solve?
Later, in Genesis 3, we learn that Satan now has a Seed shared with Eve. This is where Yahweh then curses the snake, curses the naked and innocent man, and curses Eve with pain in childbearing. The only one that knew what he was doing was the Snake and of course Yahweh. Can we pretend he did not know? Obviously not. Moses also knew. What was Moses doing in Egypt and why was Israel in Babylon for so long? What did they know? What did Enoch know about the 'future' generation? Angels deceive man. That's what they knew. Where do these biblical stories originate? Where did Joseph Smith get his material? How about Muhammad?
This raises the ultimate question. Who really gave Moses this narrative from Egypt to Israel? Israel is obviously Isis, Ra, El. Did Moses warn us in a riddle? I think he did. Only today my fellow seekers. This is the day we decode the riddle.
What do we know of the fallen beings of Enoch and the pyramids across the globe?
Yes. We know a great deal. Now that you connect the dots, then know the snake by his story. Death, bloodshed, war and trickery. The Fallen Angels have spoken to us by Angels. They have unknowingly clothed us with knowledge of good and evil. What we do with this knowledge will define us as a species.
What is the true story of the cross?
In Genesis 9, Elohim (Father) tells Yahweh and man something to be heeded. Moses locked this into a very clever verse set.
6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.
When Yahweh became a Kinsman, he fulfilled this verse. God accounted the blood he shed to his account. We are told by the NT writers that the blood was accounted for our sin. What was our sin? We were deceived by the Snake Yahweh created when we were NAKED. We were also too naked to know the Snake was Yahweh's trained pet. Today, are we still naked, or do we have the ability to see this story that is out in the open and in our faces? What do we say of this story as told by Moses?
Adam is truly Arum. He lacks knowledge still today. We are naked. What do I believe from this story:
Is Adam the true savior and not Yahweh? Yahweh hung on the cross for Genesis 9. Adam's blood was shed by Yahweh. Adam shed Yahweh's blood, still as a naked creature. We still have no idea that Genesis 9 is a promise by God to ALL nations (Rainbow), not just Israel. By this, we know who owns the sin.
Mankind is from Adam. Naked and proud to be free by Truth.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: AlephBet
Dude, turn back. Seriously. You are so corrupted. You still have yet to answer any objections that I and many others have raised. Like for instance any real evidence besides your whacked out reasoning. I can't believe I'm calling you a blasphemer, but well I am. You are so close yet you are twisting the truth to fit your preconceived notions. Jesus is not Satan. Your satanic mind is fooling you into believing these perverse "truths". You have flipped the script. You've got it backwards. The satanic mind, the one you are reasoning out of is the mind of adam. The nightmare is that of adam. Jesus came to set us free from the mind of satan/adam.
You claim to have truth, and claim to be a teacher, yet you can't even answer simple questions.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty [Arum / cunning] than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
The word cunning is the Hebrew word Arum, which also means naked in the form of Arummim.
Genesis 2:25 - 25 Adam and his wife were both naked [arummim / naked], and they felt no shame.
3 Yahweh asked Satan, “Have you thought about my servant Job? No one in the world is like him! He is a man of integrity: He is decent, he fears Elohim, and he stays away from evil. And he still holds on to his principles. You’re trying to provoke me into ruining him for no reason.”
4 Satan answered Yahweh, “Skin for skin! Certainly, a man will give everything he has for his life. 5 But stretch out your hand, and strike his flesh and bones. I bet he’ll curse you to your face.”
When he says, "Skin for skin!," he is noting that the human will shed the body at death, but be reborn (baptized) back into the water. Job DID receive his children back again after the ordeal of Yahweh and Satan had ended. They were reborn. Thus, we see the Snake in the human. It's a parallel to the naked truth so to speak.
Note that Eve was stated to be Adam's wife, yet the nature of this relationship can only be designated by one fact: God had Made Adam BOTH male and female in HIS image, free from death. Note that Genesis 1 has NO restrictions to the tree of life. By God, of course, I means Elohim (Father) and Ruach Elohim (Mother) from Genesis 1. When Genesis 1 states, "Let us make man in our own image," it is clearly referring to Elohim and Ruach Elohim from above in the first verses. Ruach is the Holy Spirit (Feminine) and Elohim is Aleph Bet, or Father (Strong House). Why does any of this matter? Because Yahweh created the Snake for a reason.
When Adam was naked, before Eve was taken from his rib, Adam was complete and whole and entirely innocent. The first corruption of the flesh was when Yahweh shed Adam's blood (innocent Lamb with no blemish) to divide God's created image. We easily conclude that this involved surgery (putting Adam to sleep) and some sort of DNA extraction to produce the opposite gender. We might also conclude that this was a malicious attempt to thwart God's master creation by corruption the seed. We might also think Yahweh somehow had no idea the Snake would do this. I do not believe the latter. Yahweh appears to curse the snake later, but what purpose can we assume for a cunning creature doing the deception for its maker? There is little room to think that Yahweh, the killer and blood thirsty Lord of the OT is anything but the Snake himself. We know them by their fruit.
...Lord of the OT is anything but the Snake himself
This raises a shocking conclusion if you follow the story forward. Yahweh is known by his own words as Adonai in BOTH the Old Testament and New. Later, as Jesus, he is again known as Adonai / LORD. The question is obvious. If he lied to Moses, twisting the story to his benefit, then what makes us think the same has not occurred in the New Testament? Or, did the writers know something, hiding it in their words? What is this mystery riddle that they constantly reminded us to solve?
Later, in Genesis 3, we learn that Satan now has a Seed shared with Eve. This is where Yahweh then curses the snake, curses the naked and innocent man, and curses Eve with pain in childbearing. The only one that knew what he was doing was the Snake and of course Yahweh. Can we pretend he did not know? Obviously not. Moses also knew. What was Moses doing in Egypt and why was Israel in Babylon for so long? What did they know? What did Enoch know about the 'future' generation? Angels deceive man. That's what they knew. Where do these biblical stories originate? Where did Joseph Smith get his material? How about Muhammad?
This raises the ultimate question. Who really gave Moses this narrative from Egypt to Israel? Israel is obviously Isis, Ra, El. Did Moses warn us in a riddle? I think he did. Only today my fellow seekers. This is the day we decode the riddle.
originally posted by: Rex282
a reply to: AlephBet
"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made."
the Hebrew word translated subtil is ARUM meaning shrewd,crafty,sly,..sensible …..Genesis 2: 25 naked is the Hebrew word arown.
The transaction that follows in Genesis 3 was not witnessed by the writer(which is assumed to be Moses).By all accounts this is not describing a “literal” event.The scriptures say this "serpent" is aruwm.The next verse the serpent(and what you believe is a literal snake) communicates with Eve.This is where reasonable people have legitimate doubts to the “religious” interpretations of the scriptures.Many (like you) believe a serpent/snake could talk and was aruwn.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Rex282
I'm not one to tell people their business. I like to ask questions, and help them along. I even tried ignoring him. I'd then read his posts hoping he would come around. But he has yet to answer any serious objections, and continues to spew nonsense and for the sake of those who are easily tossed by the waves, I finally felt the need to denounce him as a teacher. I still hope he comes around.
Here you are taking a big leap to connect the two and state that Adam, made perfect in his way, had evil in him.
Here, Skin for Skin means 'old for new'. You are adding to the scriptures when stating that "Job received his children back again". He was given NEW children.
Here you are making the same mistake many other people make. the snake was not Satan. Satan took on the shape of the snake. (This is made clear by the Hebrew root word for the word 'Serpent' used in Gen 3:1, meaning magic or enchant).