Manhunt for a Cop-Hating Pennsylvania ‘Survivalist’

a reply to: diggindirt

since you mention that... i've seen/read many words, whatever by those that either grew up with him or knew him in recent years, and the one commonality i've noticed is that they all seem to claim he was mostly adverse to social media and the like. ... just as with his 'issues' with police.... so-called friends and/or former acquaintances seem to remain the same in that they never actually heard any of that type shyte from him directly.

Im thinking they [psp] are misidentifying what he may have previously sent/messaged or posted on survivalist forums as justification for that claim.

to them.... anything posted online will be construed as being 'social media' ... much as we do here on ATS - Social Media.

we 'talk'....

got a fresh diaper on for tonight, eric!?

originally posted by: [post=18475240]12m8keall2c

I'm just curious, do you have some personal connection to this case? You seem to be strongly emotionally involved in a situation that, at it's most basic level, is simply another murder among many in this country. Do you feel an officer's life is more valuable or important than a normal citizen's? Do you have friends/family that are in the department?

Your posts come off as wishful thinking, it's been "any day now" for a long time. You seem to be taking delight in the certainty of this man's death, since he is still a suspect, not a convict, none of us know the whole story. Whenever there is a police shooting we are all supposed to sit on our hands and wait until all the facts come out before making a judgement about the officer, but with the near-zero amount of information about this case you seem to have decided he is already some horrible person who needs to be put down. A strong supporter of the law would be hoping to see this man brought in safely and put on trial, but most of the law supporters here have already convicted him.

No offense intended, honestly, I just get a very odd vibe from your posts and was hoping there was a simple explanation (being buddy-buddy with the local PD would explain it)

a reply to: Mikeultra

These fake HSEEP drills are so predictable...

HSEEP --- SHEEP. Why have I never noticed that before? LOL

I'm really having a hard time convincing myself that a guy 'who's all that' would be hanging out in those woods.

I get it that the media has portrayed him as a 'survivalist' and whatnot ... but I've actually lived out in the woods before. One guy ain't gonna make it that long alone. You've gotta have some kind of help.

I don't buy him planning this scenario out for years. I think that's just hype. So what if he ran a couple of web searches on how to avoid a manhunt?

And the hype about him having a sniper manual??? How many folks here have read that kind of material? There's nothing in a field manual that's of value in an actual scenario. It's baseplate. The military trains people in a classroom and takes them to the field under arduous conditions to practice, practice, practice ... and perfect technique and skill. Him even having an FM at his house causes me to doubt his developed field craft.

I just highly doubt Frein was doing anything more than "hunting cops" when he shot those guys. A sniper's plan (two years in the making no less) would have been more strategically oriented.

Now, I believe he's spent some time in the woods. He probably does have a lot more skill in that area than the cops. If It was me out there, I would have shot a couple of my hunters by now ... just to give everyone else something to think about. That's because I would have a plan and I'm pretty sure it'd take a QRF to even get my heart above it's normal rate. Think about how slow these guys have to be moving out there in armor plate. Think about how slow they'd be moving if they had to consider every step before taking it.

And what's the dealio with these diapers? Who, in their right mind, is going to be wearing a diaper when you're 'on the run'? You don't do that. You do the same thing a bear does unless you've got time to dig a cat hole. I'm not buying it. Sounds like a folk tale made up to generate concern. Diapers don't keep you clean. Diapers have to be disposed of. It's quicker, cleaner and less overhead, to just drop your drawers and do your business. If Frein is wearing diapers, he's dumber than anyone's considering ... and that would make me wonder why he hasn't been caught already. Besides, if a cop is hunting you and steps in your #, you can consider that a small victory. LOL

Sorry ... but everything leads me to believe someone's helping him, the cops aren't really trying to catch him in the woods, or he's unassed the AO. Meanwhile, the cops are raking in a ton of pre-Christmas overtime pay.

originally posted by: 12m8keall2c
got a fresh diaper on for tonight, eric!?

I agree with James1982. You are delighting in this and it is sickening.....

originally posted by: 12m8keall2c
then, again, Aazadan , may be that's what he's counting on for an opportunity to 'make his final escape' out of thye area.

hundreds/thousands of hunters in and out of the woods sure does make for a 'duck shoot' of sorts.

hope we don't start seeing/hearing of hunters either being picked off by him or even PSP.

or shooting each other due to false identifications.

ugh.

???

I would be far more worried about him killing a hunter and using their vehicle (and perhaps clothing to look the part) to escape than I would be expecting him to get taken down by a random hunter. Another thought for you, what if he has had an accomplice all this time, and it's a friendly hunter to get him out of the area?

If I were the police I don't think I would be able to dismiss this possibility unless they have some evidence we don't know about.

originally posted by: James1982

No offense intended, honestly, I just get a very odd vibe from your posts and was hoping there was a simple explanation (being buddy-buddy with the local PD would explain it)

not at all. just want to see a vigilante brought to justice - not killed.

the ball is in his court as to how this eventaully goes down. 's all him - Eric Frein.


I guess it's the whole 'to lay in wait and snipe someone from a hidden distance" that gets my gall up over his actions.

No one had to /has to die.... but that choice or option, at this point, if you will, is all his to make/take/decide.

guess, from the looks of it, he's willing to take his chances. that's all.

why would you assume i'd prefer to see him shot/killed outright?

too much ATS?

dunno. just curious as to the leap of 'faith'/judgement/assumption here!?




wow.

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

your thoughts/comment couldn't be further from the truth of the matter.

I don't want to see or realize anyone being killed or die.... just brought to justice for their felonious, incorrigible actions. that's all.

sheesh.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: 12m8keall2c
then, again, Aazadan , may be that's what he's counting on for an opportunity to 'make his final escape' out of thye area.

hundreds/thousands of hunters in and out of the woods sure does make for a 'duck shoot' of sorts.

hope we don't start seeing/hearing of hunters either being picked off by him or even PSP.

or shooting each other due to false identifications.

ugh.

???

I would be far more worried about him killing a hunter and using their vehicle (and perhaps clothing to look the part) to escape than I would be expecting him to get taken down by a random hunter. Another thought for you, what if he has had an accomplice all this time, and it's a friendly hunter to get him out of the area?

If I were the police I don't think I would be able to dismiss this possibility unless they have some evidence we don't know about.

That would be a very good plan. Have a buddy helping you out, when hunting season starts he heads into the woods in full orange with a spare suit in his pack. Frein puts on orange, the pair walk out together. With the number of hunters present, are they going to stop every single last person coming out of the woods? Or just focus on solitary hunters?

The idea of frein trying to pass himself off as just another hunter couldn't have possibly slipped the mind of those in charge of this search.

To me this whole ordeal proves one of three things:

Either the police are incredibly bad at their jobs and couldn't catch a cold unless they planted the virus.

Or

All the people dismissing "armchair generals" as wannabes don't know what they are talking about. They think that "official" training makes some sort of superior unit, and that people who read and "play soldier" are insignificant.

Or

Frein isn't who they say he is, and is actually either a rogue agent or a spook playing a role.

I mean, what else could it be? If this is just some wannabe play soldier and cops are good at their job, he would have been caught by now. So that means either he is far better than expected, or the cops are far worse. Or a little of both. Or he's a spook, whos loyalties don't really matter at this point.

originally posted by: James1982
With the number of hunters present, are they going to stop every single last person coming out of the woods?

If it goes that far., yeah. they will.

So that means either he is far better than expected, or the cops are far worse. Or a little of both. Or he's a spook, whos loyalties don't really matter at this point.

i'd go more with an initial underestimation as to his ability to remain/stay concealed, knowledge of the area than anything else. I think that aspect has had them more than flustered a time or three.

he knows and is able to move around the terrain better than they can/are able to.

???

sure would seem so.

a reply to: 12m8keall2c

In fact, he is so good at eluding and staying one or more steps ahead of them, that they believe that he must have a police band radio!
I wonder how he's kept the battery charged for two solid weeks?

originally posted by: 12m8keall2c
If it goes that far., yeah. they will.

He could change his appearance. Beard/no beard, longer/shorter hair, hair dye, sunglasses, orange hunters clothing.

Even if they inspect every car it's very possible they would miss him. We're not all slaves to the facial recognition tech yet.

I'm pretty indifferent towards Frein but I think he thought this out... he doesn't seem to have any sort of meaning behind his actions though other than wanting to kill police, just a murder that's failing to turn serial killer. I was actually happy with Dorner because it showed the frustration building with the police, and while he didn't get to live to see it the aftermath laid out all of the problems. From nervous cops that shoot up unrelated vehicles, to forcing people alive into burning buildings as a warning to future criminals. He laid out exactly what the police have turned into.

Pennsylvania State Police have announced that hunters will be allowed in the woods despite ongoing manhunt.

This is going to end badly..

The Morning Call: Hunters will be allowed in the woods despite manhunt.

The manhunt for the suspect in the ambush that killed a Pennsylvania trooper and wounded another won't stop the opening of deer-hunting season in the Pocono Mountains, one of most prized spots in the Northeast for game, authorities said on Monday. Beginning Saturday, bow hunters can enter the deep woods of the region even if the search for the suspect, Eric Frein, is still under way, more than three weeks after the Sept. 12 shooting.

But, they warn, hunters may run into patrols armed with assault weapons looking for Frein, a 31-year-old marksmen who is a member of a military re-enactment group that dresses like Eastern European soldiers.

"Hunters should use common sense and good judgment until this situation is resolved," said Daniel Figured, the Game Commission's Northeast region director.
"It is imperative that hunters do not interfere with the search operation," said Figured.

This will either result in someone being killed or Frein escaping.

originally posted by: Capitalsource
Pennsylvania State Police have announced that hunters will be allowed in the woods despite ongoing manhunt.

This is going to end badly..

The Morning Call: Hunters will be allowed in the woods despite manhunt.

The manhunt for the suspect in the ambush that killed a Pennsylvania trooper and wounded another won't stop the opening of deer-hunting season in the Pocono Mountains, one of most prized spots in the Northeast for game, authorities said on Monday. Beginning Saturday, bow hunters can enter the deep woods of the region even if the search for the suspect, Eric Frein, is still under way, more than three weeks after the Sept. 12 shooting.

But, they warn, hunters may run into patrols armed with assault weapons looking for Frein, a 31-year-old marksmen who is a member of a military re-enactment group that dresses like Eastern European soldiers.

"Hunters should use common sense and good judgment until this situation is resolved," said Daniel Figured, the Game Commission's Northeast region director.
"It is imperative that hunters do not interfere with the search operation," said Figured.

This will either result in someone being killed or Frein escaping.

On the bright side, if this is still going on once open season begins, every time a hunter drops a deer, he/she will have 100 cops show up to help them drag their prize out of the woods!

originally posted by: Capitalsource


This will either result in someone being killed or Frein escaping.

I think Law enforcement knows that Frein is long gone. Now it's just a great way to rack up some overtime, get some PR photo ops and scout out some game trails for hunting when off duty.

a reply to: Capitalsource
Yes I expect innocent bow hunters will be gunned down by nervous cops shooting 1st, asking questions afterwards if they haven't killed the person with their hail of bullets. And I must say that the story about dirty diapers makes absolutely no sense at all as a previous poster (Snarl) pointed out. What is Frein supposedly gaining by using them? Diaper rash is the only benefit he'll get. Doesn't pass the smell test, so it's a lie by the cops to portray Frein as unbalanced. The cops have a cash cow going on here, so don't expect them to end this anytime soon. They are a bunch of parasites sucking the life out of the taxpayers. Nearby N.J. has a 90 billion dollar pension deficit for state employees which includes cops. 90 billion!

originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: Capitalsource
Yes I expect innocent bow hunters will be gunned down by nervous cops shooting 1st, asking questions afterwards if they haven't killed the person with their hail of bullets.

Yep. That's how it'll go

Just as they did with the two idiots who took to the woods yesterday, walking amidst the tree lines. one wearing red and the other black [just as frein's been described in sightings]. Yep they just pulled up and let loose a volley of lead... as they located and escorted the two out of the woods for their own safety.

a reply to: 12m8keall2c

Brought to justice or killed? Which do you prefer? If he's killed there will be no trial nor evidence presented.

Some of your posts seem to favor Frein being killed.

He'll make the news again in a day or so.... obituaries, even. ... and rightfully so.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

...he might even be found with an arrow in him 4:30 - 5:ish EDT

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'd have to think there's a shoot on site order in place. apparently more than deer being hunted in PA today.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You won't see October, Eric. thankfully.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So I would have to agree with IslandOfMisfitToys, you do seem to prefer this to be concluded with no trial or evidence presented. Just a dead body. Case closed. Sort of like Osama bin Laden was dumped in the Indian Ocean allegedly...

actually i would much rather he be taken alive, if only to see/hear the motivational factors behind his actions. however, given the circumstances of the situation i doubt that will prove the case. if he's positively IDd and not actively surrendering they have authorization to use deadly force, shoot him.

in the end it's his choice(s), not my wish or desire, that will determine the outcome.

am i hopeful he'll be apprehended? You betcha.

Do i want to see him shot dead on sight? Not at all. would rather see him rot in jail for the rest of his life - have to live with what he's done.

PSP planning another press conference for later today. claim they found explosive devises left behind by frein.

www.inquirer.com...

a reply to: 12m8keall2c
How do we know these explosive devices were left there by Frein? What evidence proves that? The police say he left it there? Is that it? I say the police left the explosive device and then "discovered" it! This sounds just like the Giffords shooting where the "shooter" had his apartment booby trapped with explosives for the cops, yet warned them they were there. Total fabrication by the cops!