FDA Bans Cheese - Really

a reply to: pirhanna

You didn't check your facts, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist, or the FDA retraction would have been provided by you in the OP.

You all jumped straight on the anti-government bandwagon without even thinking.

That's sheeple behaviour.

The article you linked to quoted an FDA statement, but didn't provide a link to it, nor did the other 4 sites I looked at that was carrying this story.

I finally found someone linking to it here:

www.perishablenews.com...

Which led me to the Forbes article which had the letter I posted.

After reading the letter it all became clear as to what's going on here.

So, like I said, if you had done your due diligence, this thread probably wouldn't exist..

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Don't bother, it is more fun to hate the government for pretending to believe they banned cheese in the U.S.

Honestly though, this thread is kind of embarrassing for some folks involved.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

It was about cleaning and sanitary of wooden shelves, not about banning them, or the cheese made on wooden shelves.

No where does it state that using wood wasn't allowed, rather that this particular place failed to maintain any kind of sanitation.

www.perishablenews.com...

A response was provided by Monica Metz, Branch Chief of FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition's (CFSAN) Dairy and Egg Branch.

The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening does not conform to cGMP requirements , which require that “a ll plant equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly maintained.” 21 CFR 110. 40(a). Wood en shelves or boards cannot be adequately cleaned and sanitized.

origin.library.constantcontact.com...

From your source a link points to that . Her response is kinda clear.

American Cheese Society response
www.cheesesociety.org...

The American Cheese Society (ACS) strongly encourages FD A to revise its interpretation of the Code of Federal Regulation ( 21 CFR 110.40(a)) to continue to permit properly maintained, cleaned, and sanitized wood as an aging surface in cheesemaking as has been, and is currently, enforced by state and federal regu lators and inspectors

The fda did back off some but its the old song and dance heard it about goat milk , unpasteurized milk, many herbs home egg farms. wake up

I think it is easy to see how both conclusions were reached given the information they were presented. No need to bash people.

end this madness!


FOR CHEESELAM

I'm a cheese head,

Need I say more?!?!

The USA, definitely the freest country in-between Canada and Mexico.

Bloody hilarious.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

When the taste of your cheese depends on cultures that have been growing on wooden boards for years and the FDA then requires you to clean and kill those cultures. What do you think that is exactly?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: pirhanna

Only in America......

Go home FDA, you're drunk - you remind me of the obsessive mother who can't stand the thought of her children playing in dirt.

It's all good for hundreds of years, until now.

Good move

I think the public are restricted to semi automatic cheeses only.

Fully automatic cheese is government/military only.

a reply to: pirhanna
The FDA is filled with germ phobic squirrels.

10 people with bad digestion get sick and they recall millions of
strawberries/melons/whatever.

a reply to: UMayBRite!

Meanwhile in U.S. hospitals and large corp turkey farms...

This is being blown out of proportion ! Artisanal cheese is not being banned !!! Even in France they don't use wood, they use stainless steel trolly type racks ! Too much work involved in using wood racks...

I get lots of homemade cheese from my uncle who is a farmer. I don't need the government to tell me what I can and cannot put into my own body. This is testament to how screwed up the unites states government has become. We need to completely redo the government from the ground up. We cannot continue any further.

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Don't worry, besides the sensational title of the thread, they aren't banning any cheese, what so ever. They are simply banning a practice of aging cheeses. No cheese being banned, at all-Really.

Not so my friend. When you make a rule that changes the flavor of a cheese. A flavor that has been noted for any particular cheese that uses the board method...that cheese...exact cheese...no longer exists.

So, it has been banned, no other way to call it.

Des

Exactly. It's bad enough that I can't find my favorite imported cheeses any more (Locatelli, ANY Danish cheese), now they are going to make me eat American pretend cheese?

Has there even been a problem with cheese, or is this just bureaucrats being busybodies, trying to justify their existence again? I'd rather they sat in their office looking at porn like all the other federal workers.

Next on the FDA's agenda: Aging whiskey in wood barrels. Just wait.

This fine thread is a great example of why you cannot trust 90%+ of what is posted here on ATS. This behavior is called "group think" , but I would prefer to call it "Group Not Thinking".

I would be disappointed but it is so commonplace I hardly bother anymore.

It sounds like a maneuver that has nothing to do with the cheese itself, but instead for data purposes. As the CIA has admitted to, they've killed people solely based on how the executed person's name was spelt. There's nothing wrong with cheese. If it ain't a data maneuver then maybe it's plain retardation.

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Don't worry, besides the sensational title of the thread, they aren't banning any cheese, what so ever. They are simply banning a practice of aging cheeses. No cheese being banned, at all-Really.

Not so my friend. When you make a rule that changes the flavor of a cheese. A flavor that has been noted for any particular cheese that uses the board method...that cheese...exact cheese...no longer exists.

So, it has been banned, no other way to call it.

Des

I understand what you are saying, but that is a repurcussion of what they are doing, not the act that is being described in the title. Title says "FDA Bans Cheese-Really" which would lead someone/everyone to believe that they have essentially banned all and any cheese. That obviously isn't the case. No where in any of the documents does it say that they have banned any cheese what so ever. Even if they are banning any and all use of wooden boards for cheese making, that still isn't banning cheese. Again, that might result in certain cheeses not being able to be made, but it certainly is in no way banning cheese-with no clarification leading us to believe it means any and all cheese.

While I am not trying to advocate or agree with what they are doing, I am just bothered by the title of the thread and the sensational attempt to fool people into believing something that is false technically. I guess if you don't see a problem with this, or find it acceptable to title a thread incorrectly or misleadingly (is that a word?) then there isn't much for us to discuss. I have seen enough of your posts on this board to think that you don't agree with this tactic but I don't know you personally.

This is how they get away with changing things. You do just a small bit of change at a time and then it will come out that the change is much worse than it really is at the time. The small change opens the door for more change that leads to whatever they want all while the people are fussing over the severity of the change. Overtime our brains are coping with the fussing back and forth and we lose the majority of our give a shat about the subject. Over a long period of time these small changes and such add up to equal something that resembles total control but is called regulation.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Isn't it sad how any statement that is somewhat anti-government is instantly believed to be true on ATS?

I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".

Aha, what's so special about the cheesemakers?

Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.