So UK, who will you be voting for on june 4th?

I am 28 years old, 29 in June and have not voted before in my life. This is due to me feeling i did not previously understand enough about what i was potentially voting for, and to me an uneducated vote is more dangerous than a wasted one. I am now a mum to be and want my child to grow up in a better society than the present one. This year however, i feel i have enough understanding of political issues to warrant voting, and also i have some strong feelings about how this country is being failed by its governments and the lack of acknowledgement and credit the government give the general public - thinking it knows better, and they have to make 'ALL' descisions on our behalf. What happened to our input??? I thought the reason why cromwell et all overthrew the monachy was so that the interests of the public was put first and foremost. Am i just misinformed on that score? Maybe?

The Commonwealth. The next eleven years saw the rule of the Commonwealth (1649-60). Ostensibly Parliament was in control, but the real power lay with Cromwell and the army. It was just as well that the army was still standing, for Charles' son landed in Scotland, had himself declared Charles II, and invaded England. He was defeated by Cromwell at Worcester (1650) and forced to hide in a tree to avoid capture, before successfully fleeing to France.

The Protectorate. Eventually the conflict between Cromwell and Parliament came to a head with Cromwell establishing the Protectorate (1653-58). This was essentially a monarchy by another name, with Cromwell at its head. His rule was a time of rigid social and religious laws on radical Protestant lines.

Cromwell's government divided the country into 11 districts, each under a major general, who were responsible not only for tax collection and justice, but for guarding public morality as well. Church attendance was compulsory. Horse racing and cockfights were banned, plays were prohibited, gambling dens and brothels were closed, as were many alehouses. Drunkenness and blasphemy were harshly dealt with. People being people, these measures were extremely unpopular.

Cromwell had a bodyguard of 160 men during the Protectorate. In the end he was just as dictatorial and autocratic as Charles and James had been. He called Parliament when he needed money and dismissed it when it argued. On Cromwell's death his son, Richard, tried to carry on as Lord Protector (1658-59), but he was not the forceful character that his father had been.

The results of the Commonwealth and the Protectorate confirmed in the English a hatred of military rule and the severe Puritanism associated with it. From this point on Parliament opposed Puritanism vigourously.

The Restoration. In 1660 Parliament offered to restore the monarchy if Charles would agree to concessions for religious toleration and a general amnesty. Charles was not as hard-headed as his father, and he agreed to the proposals. He returned to London on a wave of popular support to be crowned Charles II (1660-85).

source: www.britainexpress.com...

Anyway, this year is important to politicians, as next year is the biggie and so they will be looking to gain as many seats as possible. I was hoping for a peoples party to crawl out of the wood work...but i haven't seen one i agree with on everything.
So far i have received leaflets through my door from the main 3 (should that be 2 ) Labour, conservative and Liberal Democrats. Also i have received leaflets from the following:

BNP (British Nationalist Party)
This Party is renouned for racism in the past, but due to people wanting the interests of british public put first over the EU, it is gaining popularity. That scares me as i think they will play on this to get into power, then the racism will rear its head again once in.

UKIT (United Kingdom Independance Party)
Is using the same tactics as BNP, i don't tink they are thinking the whole thing through through. Both want out of the EU entirely - i'm not sure that is such a brilliant idea, will we still be able to go to the court of human rights ect. It will cause a whole number of problems with trading with other countries in the EU, i don't we wouldn't have the same benefits as we currently do that allow us to trade quite easily and freely with the EU/EC. What other problems would that cause us?

Green Party
In an ideal world i would choose this party but i think we have a long way to go before we can make a 'green' government work foer all.


So, i am currently thinking conservative, but i would like to hear peoples views on various parties, incase there are things that i do not know about which may sway me to another party, i don't want an argumentive thread but one with healthy debate highlighting issues that need to be discussed and critiscised in order for our country to get back on it's feet, pro's and cons of the diffrent parties and ideally away from the control of power and money greedy politicians and replaced by ones who care about the country and its people - one to make us proud - if that is possible. Hopefuly with your help my vote will be a well informed one rather than a badly informed one. Your input and opinions is greatly appreciated - ALL opinions, even if you are not voting, are welcome - i want to see the bigger picture.







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I never voted either, i know the place where i live is already decided. Bit like n ireland they fix all areas to make sure that certain people will vote certain ways.

So no voting for me ever, i think democracy is just a con, for a cover over socialism.

reply to post by andy1033


Are you in the UK dude? Do they really do stuff like that here, fix votes Am i just naive. I can only hope that's not true.

My stance this year is that i have enough views on politics and i do pleanty of moaning about it to - and you can only fix the problem if you put in your 2cents, nothing will get any better if people can't be bothered - and now is the time to be bothered - before we go down the pan altogether.

My first year voting but i think i'd go with BNP i like their views on many things lets hope, its for the better

reply to post by MCoG1980


It is well known what they did in n ireland to make sure catholics cannot win a majority there. In westminster in the 90's there was a scandel of fixing votes, by making sure they pick certain people to live there or something.

Uk elections are just as fixed. Where i live and yep i am in uk, the way it goes will be virtually sure of, so i always tell my family do not bother.

Democracy is mob rule, and if your the minority it does nothing for you. It really is just socialism, hidden under the curtain of democracy.

Listen to william cooper he will explain, how democracy always leads to socialism, people can never handle real freedoms,a nd there are always those who think they know best for everyone.

If I was in the UK, and Danial Hannan was running, i'd vote for him hands down.

Hmm, it's maybe not quite the US argument of do you want the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right, it's more a case of do you want the red party beholden to corporate interests or the blue party beholden to corporate interests. This might sound fatalistic, but it's too late... just look at the recent furore surrounding MPs expenses - the only sensible thing that I've heard came from David Cameron, chastising his own party, who basically said that he didn't care if their expenses were "within the rules", they were just "wrong".

I'm of the opinion that the parties Labour or Conservatice that are likely to get in (let's face it, no other will) are much too entrenched in their own belief systems and tied up in red tape (of their own making) to ever effect any real change anymore... it's all b/s - the danger is that fringe interests like the BNP that seem radical may gain a foothold yet will not be capable of implementing their policies practically.

I won't be voting again until they put a box on the ballot paper for a vote of no confidence.

David Cameron is opening my village fete in his Witney constituency (village is Aston) and apparently he asked to do it (he did open it last year) but guess when the fete is...........June 6th! How coincidental! Probably will vote for him as he cant be as bad as Brown...can he???

Regards

Greg

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reply to post by jokei


I love your last line, a vote of no confidence
Well this year it going to be about seats, next year will be wayyy to late and will pretty much be descided from this years ballots i reckon.
I think labour has next to no chance of gaing seats - i'm more than sure they will lose seats - the other parties will be after those seats. Its all about bloomin seats. BNP actually i think will probably to better than the liberals - people are scared and they are playing on that to gain votes - i don't think they are being upfront and honest with what they're policies wil be, i personally don't like them.
At the moment, David Cameron of the conservative is the first and only politician i heard that appeas to be upfront and honest and most of all sincere. I hope he won't let us down, as i said at the moment he has my vote, but this election isn't for parliament it is for your local councils, your councils make up the seats in parliment, which is what they will looking at overall, this year matters for next year - choose wisely.

reply to post by Republican08


I know he's an MEP but i don't know if he is running as an MP for his local council or not? He wants to keep the pound doesn't he, i want that too - i think we as a nation are being bulllied into an involentary descision to join the Euro.

Be careful voting for the party that only seems to advocate cutbacks - what do you think will happen to public services when there is less revenue by government? Think of the NHS, schools, other public services.. This country never had it so good for all since Labour came into power!

reply to post by thecrow001


Be careful with the BNP, i don't think they are all that they seem, they have come across quite racist in the past, i find that worrying, leopards do not change their spots overnight, and as i said previous, they are preying on folks who want to put the interests of the british people first to gain votes - my concern is who they will class as british. In the past they have been pro white - that is not pro british. Also you cannot blame foreigners for taking advantage of legislation put in place by our governments, what do they plan to do about that if they get into power, they want out of the EU completely, but don't forget the EU also gives you rights you may not have if the government was not in the EU. The EU is caning the UK government over Phorm - it breaches our rights, without that you wouldn't have a say:
news.bbc.co.uk...





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reply to post by adjay


I agree. but at what cost - we will be paying for that now for many years to come.

I think New Labour have done some shocking things to the country, they just seem to have honed their PR/spin machine, if anything a more draconian party than the conservatives... just with a smile! There's been a massive erosion of civil liberties under New Labour, also (as most political parties) a failure to fulfill many, many promises they made prior to getting in power.

I wouldn't say the BNP have come across as racist in the past, they are racist - saying "I'm not a racist, I just don't want "x" in my country"... well, draw your own conclusions there.

I've also never voted, and I'm still undecided as to whether I should start now. The only party I've had any info from is UKIP, and I'm not sure I trust them.

I don't want to vote conservative, but I think Gordon Brown needs removing, and I doubt the lib dems will ever get the votes to do so.

reply to post by Perturabo


Well hopefully this thread will help us air the Pro's and Con's in time for us all to make a well informed descision - and then those sitting on the fence can actually have an well informed descision that allows them to conclude the best party they feel represents their interests the best - remember change will only happen if we make it happen. We have a little time, lets make use of it to help figure it all out.

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does the monster raving loony party still run in this country? lol, anybody remember them?

I have always been labour, and probably always will, but im swayed towards the BNP and the UKIP, if it wasn't for the racism some of their ideas seem like a good plan to get us back on our feet.

Failing all that JEREMEY CLARKSON FOR PRIMINISTER!! lolz

I'm from the UK and voted only once when i was 18...never, ever again, especially as the NWO agenda plays out.

I am now proud to say i'm a political atheist.

Voting is just a spectacle to make people believe they are contributing to democracy, which died the very day pen was put to paper empowering not 'the people' but the elite who rule within.

My reasons to question voting/democracy:

1. Bush got into power...not once but twice!!!!
2. Obama came from nowhere and Ron Paul was chastised by the MSM as the elections drew nearer.
3. Brown hasn't faced any kind of election or referendum, so why in God's name is he in office.
4. 2million people protested in London against Iraq invasion; fat lot of good that did.
5. Finally, the awesome research done by Bev Harris, an housewife who exposed the software hacking they did for polling station machines. Overview video here. (Bev's site here).

If i was forced to vote with a gun to my head, i'd vote Green party.

I'm afraid to say my vote will be wasted.

I choose not to be a part of the agenda. In this day and age, i'd truly be a fool to believe my vote matters.

reply to post by woogleuk


What are the ideas that may sway you to UKIP or BNP - lets get em out in the open and discuss, i don't think they have thought all there ideas through, and if they have they are short changing you.