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Originally posted by TruthParadox
reply to post by spy66
What makes you think that you can simply use logic and reason on something which is far beyond our knowledge?
Logic and reason tells me that 1+1 = 2.
However, where quantum physics is concerned, 1+1 = 48.5773.
How? Who the hell knows. But one thing's for sure, we know next to nothing when it comes to the existence of our universe.
You can't simply make all these assumptions about infinity, nothingness, and what lays beyond our line of sight.
The whole argument is ridiculous.
Originally posted by spy66
Infinite means: No beginning and no End. It always is and always was.
Originally posted by spy66
Then why are we having this discussions,If we cant use logic and reason within the meaning of our words to explain.
Whats the point if we cant.
You dont have to get mad just because i see the logic and you dont. You just use denial to stay on course or in the debate.
Originally posted by noobfun
Originally posted by spy66
Then why are we having this discussions,If we cant use logic and reason within the meaning of our words to explain.
Whats the point if we cant.
You dont have to get mad just because i see the logic and you dont. You just use denial to stay on course or in the debate.
there is no logic when you making assumptions with nothign to support it and misusing terms without giving the deffinition you wish to portray with the word
infinate is infinate, this does not also mean it is eternal
your mixing terms and creeating false context
[edit on 23/12/08 by noobfun]
Originally posted by spy66
Then why are we having this discussions,If we cant use logic and reason within the meaning of our words to explain.
Whats the point if we cant.
Originally posted by spy66
You dont have to get mad just because i see the logic and you dont. You just use denial to stay on course or in the debate.
Originally posted by spy66
Am i. It sounds more like i am right and your just trying to save your pride.
Because you know what i am saying and you know what i mean. And now you have run out of words to prove me wrong.
Originally posted by spy66
No your wrong again.
then try using the right words with the correct meaning your trying to convey
I have tried to use every word i can think of to try and get you to understand.
But you never do. You keep on denying or miss using them.
But that's OK it's your right to do so.
Mabe other do get it.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
Originally posted by spy66
Then why are we having this discussions,If we cant use logic and reason within the meaning of our words to explain.
Whats the point if we cant.
lol, you're having this discussion trying to prove a point that you can't possible prove.
Everyone else is trying to tell you that you can't use logic when there's no knowledge backing it.
Originally posted by spy66
You dont have to get mad just because i see the logic and you dont. You just use denial to stay on course or in the debate.
lol...
I didn't get mad.
You talk about infinity as if you understand it.
Infinity means without bounds or an end.
We understand the things that bind us, but anything that's outside our universe would not have these limits - thus appearing to be infinite.
Perhaps in the outer universe which encompasses this universe, there are laws in place which would account for the existence of our universe without the need of an infinite source.
Or, perhaps there's a multiverse outside our universe with an infinite number of parallel universes.
You haven't argued against that, because you can't. It's all guesses that we can't possibly verify.
Until you prove why those two examples I gave could not be accurate, then you will have to admit that your theory is no better - just a guess.
the view is generally as long as what ever you believe doesnt interfer with your work and you dont start using magic and mystacism to explain things you can believe pretty much anything you want
still doesnt mean you should believe everything and anything though
as the phrase goes "of course be open minded, but not so open minded your brain falls out"
Originally posted by spy66
No. When you reflect my words, you discard what i say by making up your own meaning. You know what i mean but you try hard to think of something else.
Your just putting in a new meaning to replace what i am saying.
I cant prove nothing,but that dosen't mean i cant use words to explain. Just like every one else. Because the only thing we can do is to try and explain.
Originally posted by spy66
You know what i mean but you try hard to think of something else.
Originally posted by spy66
Well the proff is: Finite cant exist with out a infinite space. That is the proff.
1) If god is Omnipotent, can he make an object so heavy he cannot lift it himself?
2) Free will: If god is Omniscient, than he knows your future. If he knows your future, than it is already set in stone (if your future changed, god would cease to be omniscient). Therefore Free will cannot exist... Which can't be true, since the bible is the infallible word of god, and says we are created free.
3) If god is all knowing, and all powerful, and the creator of all... than he must know who is doomed to hell before they are born. Knowing who is destined for hell, how can he offer a free pass to heaven by believing in Jesus? Surely he knew what you would decide before you were given the option. Therefore, choosing to believe or not to believe is not your choice, but is predestined before you were born. Your ticket has already been written, so don't sweat it... right?
4) If god knows who is doomed to hell before their are born and allows them to be created anyway, than he is sentencing people to eternal damnation for sins never committed... If people are born without their futures etched in stone, than god cannot see the future.
5) If god is Omniscient, knowing what will happen in the future, than he can not use his omnipotence to change the outcome... As he is powerless to change the outcome of future events, he is not Omnipotent.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
Noob!! Thank you for the really funny video!
Right on, at least until the Gods go out of their way to get your attention! That's always fun!
well ill be waiting just like all the other atheists/agnostics
will we have to wait long? just dont want to get my hopes up if its gonna take a while