A question for our European and Aussie friends...Do you regret giving up your right to own firearms?

Originally posted by Desert Dawg

Originally posted by drock905
Not every single person in America has guns, boots, cowboy hats and a pickup... Just so you know.

Then again, some of us have two of each....

No cowboy hats.....that is more of a Texas thing.

reply to post by BlackOps719

Imagine what would have happened if those crazy indians had guns. I mean, every one of them. And, every European!

I think everyone should be REQUIRED to carry a gun. A little education, and current laws still in place, would YOU try to mug someone probably carrying a gun? Would you try to rob them if you thought they had a gun stashed away for defense?

I feel sorry for Brits. Hundreds of years of tradition went down the toilet with no more Fox hunts. Australia, how's that kangaroo population working out for ya?

reply to post by CreeWolf


If the native Americans would have had access to guns there would still be enough of them around to answer that question. Instead they were butchered, robbed, converted at gun point and horrifically exploited by the millions.

Why? Because they werent armed well enough to fight back against their well armed aggressors. Lesson learned.

Originally posted by BlackOps719

Originally posted by Desert Dawg

Originally posted by drock905
Not every single person in America has guns, boots, cowboy hats and a pickup... Just so you know.

Then again, some of us have two of each....

No cowboy hats.....that is more of a Texas thing.

Agreed.
One of them I've never worn - the black one.

So far, besides the ever-popular ball cap, my preference is a couple of different style down under hats.
One from Oz and a similar one from NZ.

The sun here in the Arizona dez can get pretty fierce so a hat is a given.
Even worse at altitude where the UV rays are stronger.

reply to post by CreeWolf



You're right, an armed society is a polite society.


Aside from target shooting and a little hunting now and then, the main reason we carry handguns in the desert is that some places we go whilst exploring the dez is populated with rattlesnakes.
Along with the Mohave Green which is classed as a rattlesnake, but has a venom combining the aspects of the common rattlesnakes hemo-toxin and the Cobra's neuro-toxin.
A bad customer he is.

Along with Arizona being a main entry point for illegal aliens, the majority of which are probably ok folks, but there are some very bad apples crossing the border and to put it bluntly, going unarmed in these areas isn't the best thing.


We see a few snakes now and then, but in four years we haven't had to shoot one.
They go their way, we go ours.
Even so, nothing quite like finding yourself standing next to one without a a gun.

My pal carries a walking stick when we're on foot and I carry a rockhounding tool which is like a walking stick, lightweight aluminum, has a small rock specimen pickup basket on the end - much better than reaching into a rocky area for an interesting rock specimen with your bare hand - and it has a notch in the bottom end that I'm guessing would work well for pinning an aggressive snake down.

Weapons carried range from 22 magnum, 9mm and 44 magnum.
Depends on where we're at, some areas are fine with a 22 or 22 mag, others, a 44 mag probably isn't enough firearm.


Folks in the UK don't have such worries for the most part.

I think all of their snakes are of the two-legged variety....

Thers's plenty of snakes in Australia...but we generally don't shoot them. Maybe cut off their heads with a shovel...

As for the Kangaroo's, hunters are employed to shoot them and control the population although the 'greenies' and such seem to have a problem with that at the moment. Not really a problem in suburbia though so I don't need a gun.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Our citizens are not the problem. Its those who are of the illegal criminal element that have driven up the statistics on death and murder by firearms in our country.

Uhhh...actually that is not true. Illegal aliens do have a higher rate of crime. However 51% of all murders in the US are perpetrated by African Americans (13% of our population).

Correlation is not causation.
That is a pretty obvious example of a misleading statistic.

Poor people commit the most crime, who are the most poor people?

According to the Census Bureau, the poverty rate rose from 12.5 percent in 2003 to 12.7 percent in 2004. The Black poverty rate - 24.7 percent - is almost twice that of the general population. About 9.4 million African Americans, almost one-in-four, lived below the poverty line in 2004. T

Poverty in America: The Poor are Getting Poorer
findarticles.com...

I live in the US, and even if guns were outlawed here, the black market for them would be tremendous. Guns make people feel safer and also allow criminals to do their horrible deeds. It goes both ways.

reply to post by Doom and Gloom

I think it is very funny for people of other countries demand that we give up our "RIGHTS." No thank you very much. The right to bear arms was put into our Constitution to guarantee us the right to fight the Government when it becomes to powerful. Today's times are an indication of the power the government is attaining. They are off course. The People of the United States need to correct this. I care not what the world thinks, if they choose to give up rights that is their problem. I for one will not submit to the government taking my rights.

I couldn't have said it better............

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Our citizens are not the problem. Its those who are of the illegal criminal element that have driven up the statistics on death and murder by firearms in our country.

Uhhh...actually that is not true. Illegal aliens do have a higher rate of crime. However 51% of all murders in the US are perpetrated by African Americans (13% of our population).

Correlation is not causation.
That is a pretty obvious example of a misleading statistic.

Poor people commit the most crime, who are the most poor people?

According to the Census Bureau, the poverty rate rose from 12.5 percent in 2003 to 12.7 percent in 2004. The Black poverty rate - 24.7 percent - is almost twice that of the general population. About 9.4 million African Americans, almost one-in-four, lived below the poverty line in 2004. T

Poverty in America: The Poor are Getting Poorer
findarticles.com...

I have known hundreds of people who lived directly in or at the very threshold of poverty yet somehow managed to not murder anyone.

Sorry but that is a cop out.

MEWS FLASH: We did not give up our gun rights in Oz - they were taken from us.

reply to post by Sonya610


Sonja, a very good post. Many don't realize that in America in the mid-60's, our President Lyndon Johnson created an initiative termed "The Great Society."

It was a radical turn of socialism here in the US, but oddly, it was heavily skewered toward that 6% of the population.

Suddenly, overnight, unmarried females with children could get considerable government assistance. More illegitimate children, more money. Quickly, within this 6% of the non-European origin population, we had an entire generation that had no father figure, no moral center, no direction, and we see the results of that today. They are killing each other off in unbelievable numbers as they were never given a remotely reasonable semblance of limitations.

They kill each other because of one simply "disrespecting" another. Drugs and drug dealing. They kill over "territories."

For those of European descent, we are compelled to reduce our own personal risk. The police always get there in time to pick up the bodies, and can't protect us. Here in the US, self-protection is not just a right, it's an obligation. A civic duty. And guns are used every day in America in self-defense, many without shooting. Not reported in the liberal newspapers.

One last thing. In late 1939 and 1940, the British government was taking out ads here in US newspapers urging US citizens to send weapons to Britain - any weapons - pistols, rifles, shotguns. Because during these days after Dunkirk, the vast majority of Britain was basically unarmed from previous reductions in personal weapons. Yet right after the war, you resorted to the same condition!

Let's hope your government keeps enough money in the shoebox to run more ads in the future if you ever need more weapons. And yes, again, Americans will send them.

To each his own, and good luck to all.

reply to post by dooper


One Quote from our founding fathers sums all arguments up.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344.

reply to post by BlackOps719


i think these statistics speak for them selfes ....

The Coalition for Gun Control has the most recent statistics for Gun
rate Death available.

Country Gun Death Rate per 100,000

Japan 0.07
Singapore 0.24
Taiwan 0.27
Kuwait 0.37
England/ Wales 0.4
Scotland 0.49
Netherlands 0.55
Spain 0.74
Ireland 1.24
Germany 1.44
Italy 2.27
Sweden 2.27
Denmark 2.48
Israel 2.56
New Zealand 2.67
Australia 2.94
Belgium 3.32
Canada 3.95
Norway 4.23
Austria 4.48
Northern Ireland 4.72
France 5.48
Switzerland 6.2
Finland 6.65
USA 13.47

Source

Happy to say I've never needed nor wanted a gun. So I can't say I've missed out anything.

I just pity you're everyday Policemen & Women that have to face the horror of guns in the wrong hands. Not to mention the families of those that have died because of it.

Goodluck too, for your future with guns OP, it sounds like they are a way of life for you.

gun buy back had no affect on murder rate
www.smh.com.au...

Australias Gun laws - Little effect
www.time.com...

Austalians still can acquire guns.....
Current Australian firearm laws...
en.wikipedia.org...

We still have gun related crime.....
www.police.nsw.gov.au...

The government spent half a billion dollars buying back guns which were then supposedly destroyed. However, some seem to have ended up back on the street and in the hands of criminals.

Of course, it's often said that with Indonesia just on our doorstep that disarming the Australian population could be seen as a disaster if in the event of an invasion, Australia wouldn't have enough gun power to amass it's own militia. Our own military wouldn't be able to cope with the sheer numbers if such a scenario were ever to happen.

Us being out here in south east asia region and being the only western nation (as well as New Zealand) does make you wonder why we would be disarmed in the event of a take over and us having such a small population.

So from that angle I think it was sheer stupidity.

On a day to day basis, I don't think it achieved much. I live in Mid-western Sydney near a major arterial road and I often hear gunshots weekly. It's become so common now that people don't even bat an eyelid. So there are still plenty of guns available.

If ever the SHTF, I guess we could buy own our guns on the black market, so it's always an option I guess.

I don't have an issue with Americans owning guns. Only an American would know what it is like to live there. America also has had a civil war in the past, Australia and other places haven't. So I don't think anyone has the right to tell Americans that they can't own guns. It's nobodys business but theirs.

reply to post by gate13


Oh ya, that group has exacting stats. These are the same morons that keep pounding the media with BS on everything anti-firearm. They have been caught in so many lies its not worthy of mention except to say they are wrong!


Zindo

I live in a very peaceful part of the UK. I dont think imbeciles should have guns. However intelligent people should . Not because of vigilante action in inner cities or settling disputes. The only reason intelligent people should have guns is to defend their freedom, their families and friends.

History has shown us that when a population is disarmed it can do nothing against the abuses of Dictators , Tyrants , Warlords & Traitors. aka evil Government or wannabe Conquistors.

Hitler disarmed the people so did Stalin . How many Gypsies or Jews or Liberals or Christians were murdered , enslaved or sent to the Gulags / Concentration Camps to rot ? Why did they all go ? Because they were unarmed and unable to say no to the Thugs in the Uniforms who came for them in the night. So Who is going to stop the E.U. Dictatorship ? or the U.N. ? No one.

In the UK it used to be mandatory to be armed and to provide service a few days a year in the militia . As a defence against the Dictators like thre French monarchy or Napoleon . Although England had a corrupt Monarchy & elite , the people were the most free in Europe. Was England a more dangerous place in the 18th centuary when every one was allowed to be armed ? It may have been a bit rougher but it was far safer .

Now if the E.U. / U.N. or Puppet UK Government wishes to attack the people ( as per MOD Strategic Trends 2007) with Neutron bombs if we rise up against Dictatorship how are we to fight back ? They NWO are going to take everything we have including our homes, our savings , our freedoms and even our minds with micro chipping. Is anyone seriously to suggest that people should be unarmed and just go along with this abhorant evil ? Civil disobedience is the best route but if that fails , what then ? Ghandi not did have to face Scalar Weapons , Sonic Canons , Microwave guns or Tasers. We do .

Such a stupid idea. If you come to Texas to take our guns you will be buried here.