Trump Admits He Takes Hydroxycloroquine

originally posted by: whereislogic

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Phage
Or have you also considered other studies which may contradict those.

Yeah, I've read a lot more, but now it's your turn---Link, please...to something other than that woefull, inadequate disgrace of a VA "study" and with some o' them double-blinds?

... Anyone promoting vagueness/ambiguity as to the subject of whether or not HCQ has been "absolutely proven effective" against Covid-19 (hopefully quoting the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons correctly, that terminology was used in a letter quoted in a news report video that was removed) ...

It might have been "proven (...) absolutely effective", or "indicates that ... absolutely effective" ("evidence for ..."?). I'm sure about the combination "absolutely effective" regarding HCQ's effectiveness in the treatment of Covid-19 (for antiviral functions primarily, thus before viral load is no longer an issue in the later stages of the disease). As commented on in this comment.

Actually the fatality rate for the whole of France is worse by now (worse than 15%). If you calculate based on the statistics given here:

COVID-19 – IHU

You get a fatality rate for the whole of France of almost 20% (based on number of deaths/cases). For the 3,295 patients treated with HCQ+Azythromycin at IHU (Marseille) it's 0.5%, as mentioned earlier. These are very comparable numbers because it's the same area and the same health care system (the main factors affecting fatality rates at the moment, especially the latter, crappy stubborn arrogant health care not administering HCQ on time, not trying to mitigate the effects of the cytokine storm by not helping the immune system with the right drugs or supplements, only prescribing things like pain killers and being too quick to go to mechanical ventilation, thinking there is no treatment that can mitigate much of the damage caused and using the type of treatments that only cause more damage while doing very little to prevent getting to that stage, even when clear and effective options are available that can actually prevent the cytokine storm or significantly mitigate its damaging effects and lessen its duration*).

*: "dampening the storm" as the EVMS Critical Care COVID-19 Protocol developed by Dr. Paul Marik puts it. Which you can read for details.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
It is still legal, as I understand it, for a doctor to prescribe the stuff off-label, including for COVID19, even though the clinical trials showed no efficacy for treating COVID19.

Please, please stop already with the lies. Those bogus 'studies' you are referring to were designed to fail - because they left out the actual part of the protocol that causes it to work so effectively. You know... the Zinc.

Here is a link that even Burd/tennisdawg should like...

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients.

Lol. Then in three weeks they will all be losing their hair and have cardiac arrhythmia

a reply to: odzeandennz

This video about CQ is from Feb.17, more than a month before Trump said anything about it and 2 weeks before the first lockdown measures in my country on March 12 (the US was later than Europe). Note the tone and expression "clinical trials show ... is effective".

The "is" in there makes it a factual statement such as 1+1=2 (or spelled out, one plus one is 2). That's the reality of the situation. That's what you're claiming when you use "is" like that. So what that expression boils down to is that 'clinical trials show* that it is a reality/fact/certainty/truth that CQ is effective in treating Covid-19 patients'. *: alternate expressions that boil down to the same claim: 'demonstrate' or 'provide proof/evidence for the reality...'.

Note how different that news report is compared to later reports in late March up till now. It also incidentally provides a nice reminder what proper PPE looks like. Not this crappy stuff that's only going to cause a bigger problem regarding the spread of the corona virus (something that can also be seen coming from a mile away):

Or am I falling into the trap of switching to the subject of CQ now as well? Anyway, the writing was on the wall for CQ even earlier than HCQ (which as mentioned before, is more effective than CQ and even safer to use, azithromycin seems to help if added but doesn't seem to be the main ingredient and can be replaced with doxycycline to avoid some of those QT prolongation issues some people are too worried about compared to its frequency of occurance and severity with short-term usage of the HCQ+Azithromycin combo).

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

He never, ever is wrong. About anything.
He went all in for chloroquine. He then told his doctor to "prescribe" it because he got freaked out when the disease showed up so close.

He will be very closely monitored. Others, not so much.

This is not even about being right or wrong. It is about taking a smart risk to potentially save thousands of lives. If it works it saves thousands of lives if it doesn't - a handful of people may die.

Dr. Fauci himself declared HCQ a wonder drug for SARS in 2005.



What has changed? Maybe it has something to do with his close ties to Gilead and their $1000 dollar a treatment Remdezivir which has it's own faulty study - but somehow it has been declared a fantastic potential treatment by the media. Simple logic dictates the media coverage is all about money.

There was and is tons of anecdotal evidence HCQ works if prescribed properly with Zinc when administered early.

Look at this twitter thread - twitter.com...

Italy, India, Bahrain, France, Costa Rica, South Korea, China have all used the drug against Corona, and since they have their death rate is much lower than the rest of the world.

originally posted by: cfnyaami
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This post is so ignorant it hurts.

HCQ is a generic - it sells for less than 50 cents a pill. Dozens of companies make it. There is no big profit to be made from it - literally any company can make it because the patent expired decades ago.

You are the gullible person believing the total BS being spewed by the media without doing the slightest bit of research on what was potentially our best chance of ending the pandemic quickly.

It does not appear to be as helpful as many originally hoped, but there is still a lot of evidence it does help. The fact people are angry at Trump for trying to save Americans by promoting this drug says a whole lot about them.

a reply to: IAMTAT

You have to wonder if Trump realizes Hydroxychloroquine can cause hair loss?

I mean he's quite fond of the turf he still has left upstairs.

And that's just one of the possible side effects, erratic and possible damage to the heart, being some of the others.

I really hope it works all the same, but the evidence remains to be proven.

I no longer believe that Trump is taking Hydroxychloroquine or a placebo. Look at this video. First he says he's talking it, and has been for about 2 weeks. Then he says he's not taking it at 1:45 and catches himself in his own lie.



OOOPS!

a reply to: proximo

MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE SULFATE ADMINISTRATION UNDER EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION: In order to mitigate the risks of using this approved product for an unapproved use under EUA and to optimize the potential benefit of hydroxychloroquine sulfate, the following items are required. Use of hydroxychloroquine sulfate under this EUA is limited to the following (all requirements must be met):

1. Adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.

www.fda.gov...

You honestly believe that the White House doctor is defying the FDA to cudgel Trump? The Doctor's word salad letter, that doesn't say that Trump has been subscribed or is taking the drug, betrays Trump's lie.

a reply to: proximo

Fauci said that in 2005? You mean almost 15yrs before this virus emerged? You mean when he was talking about SARS --- an entirely different virus/disease. SARS attacks the lower respiratory system. COVID attacks the upper respiratory system. Different disease. And if HCQ was such a cure-all for the corona virus, why not have everybody taking it to prevent a good portion of colds (another corona virus).

Video from March 27:

Note the expression "hydroxychloroquine had been effective..." after 1:02.

Bahrain statistics from worldometers.info:

cases: 7374
deaths: 12
deaths/1M pop: 7 (USA is 280 now, note that they almost have as many cases/1M pop as the USA at 4,354 vs 4,709 respectively)
fatality rate based on nr. cases counted there: 0.16% (they do a lot of testing and they treat their patients better, that'll do it)

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: proximo

MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE SULFATE ADMINISTRATION UNDER EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION: In order to mitigate the risks of using this approved product for an unapproved use under EUA and to optimize the potential benefit of hydroxychloroquine sulfate, the following items are required. Use of hydroxychloroquine sulfate under this EUA is limited to the following (all requirements must be met):

1. Adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.

www.fda.gov...

You honestly believe that the White House doctor is defying the FDA to cudgel Trump? The Doctor's word salad letter, that doesn't say that Trump has been subscribed or is taking the drug, betrays Trump's lie.

Yes, I one hundred percent believe it. The FDA is filled with former pharma workers and wannabe pharma workers whose best interests are to squash any generic that may cut into big pharma profits.

10 or so people in the white house have come down with Corona - it is quite possible Iran/china are trying to assassinate Trump by infecting people that are in his presence.

Taking HCQ is the smart thing to do in his situation.

a reply to: whereislogic

Note the expression "hydroxychloroquine had been effective..." after 1:02.

Note, they say for the "treatment of coronavirus symptoms", not as a prophylactic.

a reply to: proximo

Yes, I one hundred percent believe it.

Then you're a fool. Watch the video, posted above, where Trump accidentally tells the truth, and admits that he IS NOT taking Hydroxychloroquine, @1:45.

a reply to: cfnyaami

He does have a few thousand dollars invested in the company that makes the name brand version via a hedge fund.

Not really enough to be responsible for his hard push on HCQ.