End the Russian hacking garbage.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: RickinVa

FBI has to prove intent. That is extremely hard. FBI never indicted Hillary because they could not prove intent.

Good point..just play dumb. Good thing for Hillary that she was/is blessed with natural dumbness.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Not to mention the fact that "Crowdstrike", the source for the claims being made by the NSA, the CIA and FBI, have lied in the past.

In December 22nd 2016 "Crowdstrike" claimed that the Russians hacked an Ukrainian artillery app using Fancybear, and that it caused heavy loses for the Ukrainian artillery. The Ukrainian military and government denied this.

After the denials from the Ukrainian military and government "Crowdstrike" "updated their report in March 23, 2017 to claim, and I quote:

...Ukrainian Armed Forces lost between 15% and 20% of their pre-war D–30 inventory in combat operations.
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www.crowdstrike.com...

Here is another source confirming the "report made up by Crowdstrike about the app destroying most of the Ukrainian D–30 inventory" was false...

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine's military on Friday denied reports claiming Russia may have hacked targeting software for its heavy artillery in a breach that could have helped Moscow track and destroy Kiev's big guns.
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CrowdStrike said the malware was installed on software used to aim Ukraine's D-30 howitzer guns that were the backbone of the government's forces fighting Russian-backed insurgents for 31 months.
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- 'High-loss nature' -

Ukraine's defence ministry blasted the report's claims and rejected any allegations that a hack led to a majority of its howitzers being destroyed during the conflict.
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www.yahoo.com...

"Crowdstrike" was the company that "gave" the FBI the report claiming "Russia hacked the DNC"... The Obama administration and their IC implants have claimed that "Crowdstrike" is a respectable group... yeah, a respectable group that makes up BS as evidence...

The DNC did not allow the FBI to investigate their servers... instead "Crowdstrike" was used as a third party and they "supposedly found the evidence"...

BTW, here is another source confirming "Crowdstrike" made up the report claiming the Russians hacked the Ukrainian artillery app.

WASHINGTON —

U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine's war with pro-Russian separatists.

VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Ukraine's Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.
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www.voanews.com...

I wonder "what other story" Crodwstrike made up?...

And the full scale internet troll brigade and the untrue bizzare stories spread through social media.
And your correct there wasn't anything damaging in the emails but there were so many and the flood coming over and over again people who never read even one simply assumed since everyone was talking about it there must be something there.
The Russians advanced a multi phase attack on our democracy.

a reply to: dawnstar

Why should it go away in the media?

The American people shouldn't be kept in the loop?

Hmmm sounds so freeing to me. Control the media. Control access to information.
Welcome to north Korea.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
And the full scale internet troll brigade and the untrue bizzare stories spread through social media.
And your correct there wasn't anything damaging in the emails but there were so many and the flood coming over and over again people who never read even one simply assumed since everyone was talking about it there must be something there.
The Russians advanced a multi phase attack on our democracy.

Wow.

just, wow.

The only thing that happened, is the Dems ran Hillary. That's it. THAT'S what lost them the election.

A wet paper towel could have beaten her.

The Russians influenced no one. Trump voters had their minds made up long before that would have happened.

originally posted by: imitator
This Russian thing will be the death of the DNC, if they find any connections to Trump or that Russia hacked the election.... No one is going to believe their fabricated fake news and silly Russian lies .... If it happens, R.I.P. DNC, 2020 election will bury you.

That's why DNC Chair Tom Perez is asking everyone to resign.


The DNC just fired its entire staff – here’s why

After a humiliating rout in an election that pundits widely believed would fall their way, the Democrats are pushing the reset button on their entire organization. And the first thing they’re doing is asking everyone for their resignation letters. NBC News is reporting that Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez has launched a campaign to completely remake the much maligned organization that failed to get its nominee into the White House, and presided over what many consider a disastrous decade of losses at every level of politics.

www.theblaze.com...

originally posted by: Sillyolme
And the full scale internet troll brigade and the untrue bizzare stories spread through social media.
And your correct there wasn't anything damaging in the emails but there were so many and the flood coming over and over again people who never read even one simply assumed since everyone was talking about it there must be something there.
The Russians advanced a multi phase attack on our democracy.

By showing the corruption of the DNC? Is that what you meant to say?

It is ALL garbage! Who tries to influence elections? Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Social Groups, Businesses, Foreign Governments...HELL...most everyone. I try to influence an election when I speak with a liberal about my objections to their beliefs. Obama influenced Israel's elections by supporting a particular opponent. Clinton tried to influence the election by claiming Trump tried to grab some women.

IT IS DONE ALL THE TIME! EVEN BY US!!!

So why is this a thing now? Because...and only because the left lost and got their panties in a bunch that their nearly completely executed plan was crushed. They thought they had the election (and probably all the future elections) bottled up. They were wrong that the people stopped them.

Get over it! There is nothing in this Russia crap...at least not any more than in our own.

a reply to: network dude >>> I just went a couple rounds on another board about this. They claim upwards of a thousand Russian trolls posted fake news to throw the election.... BS. What we have now are maybe close to that many shills posting anti Trump and anti Pizzagate posts instead. Okay, what we do know is that right before the election, for weeks, the online ISPs were gung ho on Hillary and anti Trump. I noticed constant attacks against Drudge and people were commenting on searches being steered away from negative Hillary content. So what we still have is the "fake News is bad" agenda being forced on us. They say the Russians threw the election and weakened the country through fake news. That's insane. Obama sat in the Oval Office for eight years and tried to weaken the country, but they let him go and even helped him. Its an attack against Trump( who I don't like but did vote for as Hillary was an abomination) and an attempt to remove an outsider from the DC political machine. Its transference. They're doing exactly what they're accusing the Russians of doing. And we know Hillary had more ties to Putin than Trump ever did. They paid Podesta millions and gave her millions for our uranium. And talk about 1984, they want to curtail free speech, limit personal freedom of information and want to force approved news on us. Never mind the MSM and government have been the worst purveyors of fake news. Its a smoke screen of epic proportions and a distraction from what is coming down the road shortly. I think that Pizzagate is about to go nuclear and they want to discredit the truth when it comes out.

originally posted by: network dude
It's likely that Russia has in the past, hacked us.

It is far beyond likely...

So to pretend that it's some horrible act that warrants aggression is stupid.

Aggression? What about defense? To not defend yourself from attack?...that is stupid..

Fact:
The information in question here is the Podesta e-mails revealing the corruption of the DNC.

Far beyond that. There was fake news...GOP including Paul Ryan, Cruz, Rubio and others were also victims. Congressional emails were hacked..Information was also leaked for local elections for congress..Russian Troll armies were and are deployed..

Just because this was focused on Democratic Politicians does not mean it won't be focused on Republican Politicians.

Fact:
If this corruption was to remain hidden, the American people would have voted for a president based on a corrupt system, so the reveal of this information was in fact the only truthful way to excersize our right to vote in a fair and honest election.

If the corruption of Trump remains hidden, the American people will continue to support or oppose Trump based on deceit, so investigating this information is the only truthful was to exercise our right to choose in a fair and honest democracy.

If Trump colluded with Russia, arrest him. If he didn't, let it go. If Flynn broke the law, arrest him, if not, let it go.

Agreed.

The underlying theme here is that the IC has all the evidence it has collected from various sources. If any of it ties to people breaking the law, then arrest them, if not, move the # on.

That day will come when the investigation by the FBI, NSA, CIA and Senate are complete.

In case other haven't noticed, we still have a country to run, Americans to protect, jobs to create, and a deficit to reduce.

Of course we do...How is the Russia investigation interfering with Trump and the GOPs ability to legislate?

Trump's first 100 days look like a tonnage of Losing...Horrible approval ratings and continuing to sink...A failed Obamacare repeal after 8 years of preparation...a Travel Ban EO that has failed twice now...Mexico isn't paying for any wall...everybody hates Trumps budget proposal...It's just a whole lot of fail and the stuff he is winning on like repealing EPA regulations so we can be as polluted as China isn't helping anyone..

How does investigating Russian Interference have any relation to Trump's steady failures? When are we going to be "tired of winning so much?"

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, here is another source confirming "Crowdstrike" made up the report claiming the Russians hacked the Ukrainian artillery app.

www.voanews.com...

I wonder "what other story" Crodwstrike made up?...

Thanks for that link...Not because it is true but it confirmed what many had been suspecting...

VOANews...your source...Is "Voice of America"...aka The US Govs full-on government run news outlet.

It is run by the Broadcasting Board of Governors...

The Board is composed of nine members with expertise in the fields of mass communications, broadcast media, or international affairs. Eight members are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The ninth, the Secretary of State, serves ex officio.

www.bbg.gov...

Rex Tillerson is now on the Board running VOA..

Also see here

Trump moves to put his own stamp on Voice of America

The president dispatches two aides to the broadcasting agency that came under fire over the weekend for its Trump coverage.
www.politico.com...

** Trump has his own propaganda outlet now...How good of you to cite them...

And here are the two wacko-hacks Trump sent to oversee VOANews..

mediamatters.org...

Strange and sad...VOA is full on legit propaganda now...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

D-30 is a 1960s artillery piece. It is manually aimed. It does not use software for fire control. How stupid can CrowdStrike be to even suggest this?

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

D-30 is a 1960s artillery piece. It is manually aimed. It does not use software for fire control. How stupid can CrowdStrike be to even suggest this?

The Ukranian Soldiers were using a downloaded app to do the targeting math. It was shared amongst the troops.

It contained a geo-location hack...

VOA ..Voice of America (Source of Article) is literally run by Team Trump...

The article is misleading in multiple ways and is looking to discredit Crowdstrike because they publicly fingered Russia in the Podesta leaks..

Full Crowdstrike report here on the Ukraine military hack..
www.crowdstrike.com...

a reply to: DBCowboy

She will not be president during this term Trump will is, but this whole pony show of a fact that we all know but no limited to, will pave the road for her to once again give another shot to the white house in 2020, I didn't voted for her and will not vote for her ever and I don't need the Russians to tell why I should not.

Still if this hearing are the best thing democrats have to campaign for mid term elections I am sorry to say that they will lose more seats.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Not to mention the fact that "Crowdstrike", the source for the claims being made by the NSA, the CIA and FBI, have lied in the past.

No...they haven't...

Original numbers they reported of 80% included weapons lost in Crimea...

Revised numbers they were given differentiated between captured artillery and artillery lost in combat.

When they got the updated numbers, they included the update in the report..

“excluding the Naval Infantry battalion in the Crimea which was effectively captured wholesale, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost between 15% and 20% of their pre-war D–30 inventory in combat operations.”

* Looks like you are working to discredit Crowdstrike because they also provided a ton of technical evidence concerning the DNC hack by Russia..

Carry on with the propaganda though...Facts and evidence rule in the end.

a reply to: Indigo5

Is ok, democrats still have their faithful major outlets out there with the exclusion of Fox.

If Russia is so powerful that it can install a puppet ruler in the most powerful nation on the planet, then why can't beat rebels in Syria? It makes 0 sense. Either Russia is very powerful or Russia is very weak. Take your pick.

a reply to: allsee4eye

I think the status of Russia and its mighty power or not, is examined depending the agenda of the day depending the time of the year.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Indigo5

Is ok, democrats still have their faithful major outlets out there with the exclusion of Fox.

No...State run propaganda is never OK and while it has now been corrupted (AKA Shifted from US Interests to Trumps Interests) and that now is used as a Trump Propaganda arm...In the future it could be used by whoever is in the Whitehouse.

It's a step toward Russian style media..

Voice of America always had an agenda...US interests across the globe...No it is schilling for Trump trying to discredit US Organizations it sees as threats...That's not a good change for any of us.

If you choose not to understand that...Cool..Don't expect otherwise...