End the Russian hacking garbage.

It's likely that Russia has in the past, hacked us. It's also likely that China has hacked us. It's also likely that many other nations have done this. And it's also very likely that we have done this or worse to other nations. So to pretend that it's some horrible act that warrants aggression is stupid.

But the facts seem to be so inconsequential that they need to be ignored in favor of the narrative.

Fact:
The information in question here is the Podesta e-mails revealing the corruption of the DNC.

Fact:
The corruption exposed has yet to be denied by anyone.

Fact:
If this corruption was to remain hidden, the American people would have voted for a president based on a corrupt system, so the reveal of this information was in fact the only truthful way to excersize our right to vote in a fair and honest election.

If Trump colluded with Russia, arrest him. If he didn't, let it go. If Flynn broke the law, arrest him, if not, let it go.

The underlying theme here is that the IC has all the evidence it has collected from various sources. If any of it ties to people breaking the law, then arrest them, if not, move the # on.

In case other haven't noticed, we still have a country to run, Americans to protect, jobs to create, and a deficit to reduce. (get back to work)

this is no laughing matter

a reply to: dashen

I agree. I have my serious face on right now.

a reply to: dashen

They didn't actually find "Russian fingerprints". It was bear tracks..

yes, it should go away, at least in the media.. but we do need a impartial investigation of it, and, we need to trust that investigation that it will provide us with the truth.. as hard as that may be for all of us. once, the investigation has been completed, then as much of the information that can be revealed to the public without compromising national security should be revealed! what we have going on now could inadvertantly reveal info that does compromist our national security..

a reply to: dawnstar

How much more "impartial" can you get than what was done by the previous administration?
Clapper stated there was no evidence of collusion or crimes, 16 intel agencies signed off on the report produced.

a reply to: network dude

So to pretend that it's some horrible act that warrants aggression is stupid.

Or good deflection, depending how you look at it.

Most of the main scream is deflection anyway.

a reply to: TruthsSword

...those tracks were from the company, fancy indeed

originally posted by: TruthsSword
a reply to: dashen

They didn't actually find "Russian fingerprints". It was bear tracks..

NBC said it was Moose tracks, and that means Canada

a reply to: network dude

I would agree with you, but Trump won and Hillary didn't.

So there has to be a complete anti-Constitutional move to erase our current system, place Hillary into the seat of power and lock Trump up and heavily tax and punish anyone who voted for him.

This is America! Dammit!

And people should be free to destroy property, cause harm to individuals, destroy the Constitution and place Hillary as Dictator!

Deflection, curruption, whatever...but it's usually a good idea until everybody is finished, and they ain't finished yet and, the Senate intel committee is only starting, so there is a need to wait for them too...if they can stop fighting that is.

a reply to: network dude

I think you've said why it doesn't: its a distraction.

Wife finds hubby is cheating and confronts him....how common would it be for him to respond with an attack of his own?

Its similar to the defense of find another suspect, except in this case they are also finding another crime. Its known as "Counterargument". You turn the argument back while trying to hide your big old ugly toe.

Of course Russians tried to influence our election.

That is a given.

You must prove how they changed votes.

I would submit: if they did hack the DNC and release the material.

They did us a favor.

Hillary is a criminal and proved herself unworthy of the Presidency.

a reply to: network dude

I'm sure the IC and Justice Department will drop everything and change course all because you told them to. /sarc.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Watching the Senate Investigation press conference right now. Like you said, they are certain that the Russians attempted to influence our election. But it will be AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR before a final report is released.

Time to focus on other things that affect our lives day-to-day, IMO.

Even the intelligence report on Russian hacking given earlier this year is inconclusive. With the Cia and FBI concluding with "High Confidence", and the NSA concluding with only "Moderate Confidence", it is clear that conjecture is given primacy over proof.

Background to "Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections": The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution

If the media and opposition would admit this, and retain any semblance of decency, we wouldn't be in this mess.

a reply to: network dude

It took 2 years to bring down Nixon. Its only been what at most 8 months if we go back to when rumors started that Trump Campaign members were being looked at for Russian connections and possible collusion. So we still have a bit of time left in this one.

a reply to: Pyle

Incorrect. DNC has hired private investigators to investigate Trump since Trump started running in June 2015.

originally posted by: network dude

If Trump colluded with Russia, arrest him.

Well there's an ongoing investigation occurring that involves reading thousands of documents. Do you think they should have completed a years worth of reading in 2 days?

originally posted by: Pyle
a reply to: network dude

It took 2 years to bring down Nixon. Its only been what at most 8 months if we go back to when rumors started that Trump Campaign members were being looked at for Russian connections and possible collusion. So we still have a bit of time left in this one.

No it didnt suggest you look into watergate some more. The first year there was no charges. Then they got lucky and connected payments to the people who broke in to Nixons campaign. At that point he was caught the rest was simply a court fight over if he had to release the white house tapes and what protections a president actually have. He was indicted quickly once proof was shown. So using your example if they want to get Trump they need to show wrong doing and things will move rather quickly.