Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: bjarneorn

There is no such thing as a NATO weapon.

Really, US supplies NATO members with weapons ... and these weapons are then marked. The biggest "supply" of US weaponry, is in Germany ...

a reply to: Hellas

It was a copy from a headline, sorry about the caps. I'm just letting you know in case you want to listen.

a reply to: RadioRobert

They have also used RPGs and shoulder fired missiles for who knows how long, so they know about back blast. They also don't just get handed these weapons and get sent out to use them. That's why they have training camps that have been bombed.

Well, are AK-47's not russian or chinese? Isis and the likes have been using them for years. Doesn't mean russia or china is at fault. It's the person who pulls the trigger thats the problem, countries have been selling arms for donkeys years

originally posted by: bjarneorn
a reply to: C84K2

here you can see the radar image

Radar image of russian aircraft path

According to this, the plane "goes" through Turkish airspace ... but is shot down over Syria, and crashes in Syria.

I hope Putin invokes Article 51, and not just against Turkey ... but against Nato as a whole. As the weapon used to destroy the helicopter, a rescue helicopter, is a NATO weapon.

originally posted by: Hellas

originally posted by: Tempter
PRESIDENT OBAMA AND FRENCH PRESIDENT HOLLANDE HOLD JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AT 11:30 AM ET

First of all no Caps and second, so what? Presidents do that from time to time, you know..

Wasn't this meeting about the recent Paris attacks?

Edit: And increased intervention of ISIS bombings in Syria.

Heres more link to the plane in this city, which is not in the same location as the Turkish radar indicated.

"On Nov. 24, 2015 at around 09.20 a.m, a plane whose nationality is not known violated the Turkish airspace despite several warnings (10 times within five minutes) in the area of Yayladagi, Hatary," the military said before the plane's nationality was confirmed."

www.npr.org... it-shot-down-a-russian-war-plane

something is not right

originally posted by: luthier
This is why Turkey has no business in NATO. They are far too irrational. This is a big deal.

Just when the powers were close to a coalition possibly the first ever between the US China Russia and Europe.

This is the first thing I thought this morning when i first posted this.
What has Turkey to gain by ruining any chance of a coalition between the major powers?

I don't know .. but someone might !!!

a reply to: Xcathdra

Will you give us a proof that Russia violated turkey's airspace or not?

If not, then stop using unconfirmed claim as the reason as to why was the Russian jet shot down.

originally posted by: Tempter
a reply to: Hellas

It was a copy from a headline, sorry about the caps. I'm just letting you know in case you want to listen.

that was a planned meeting

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: 23432

Can really anyone believe in that rethoric? Do you actually have any evidence about everything you just said?

You need to be more specific .

Let me sum it up ;

Turks : Russia stop killing Turkmens in Syria , they are not ISIS .

Russians : Naa-aaah .

Turks : We will shoot your planes down unless if you stop .

Russians : Naaa-aaah .

Turks : We shot your plane .

Russia : Waaaa-aaaaah .

Any questions ?

a reply to: bjarneorn
Yes really there is no such things as nato weapons. Do some research before making false claims.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: luthier

Then Russia should have listened the first several times it was warned about violating Turkish airspace.

That may be true but your going on here say.

It also doesn't matter. There isn't a single european, US, Canadian country who would have handled it that way. They would have been escorted out by planes.

a reply to: bjarneorn



This is the area where CNN Turk claims their airspace was violated. It's 2.7km wide. Let's go with a really low number, assuming the SU was cruising at a leisurely 600km/h. That's 16 seconds to cross this distance. And in that time they supposed warned the aircraft minutes long and with 10 seperate messages. They really had to had their timing down. That plane was max 20 seconds in Turkey. You can't fly like 1 km behind SU-24s gotta be at least 5 km out. Sidewinders go at about 920 meters per second. So they had a good 10~15 seconds to legally shoot it down in turkey. German Precision right here.

Also: Turkey crossed over into Syrian airspace to kill someone who had already left their country. Imagine that you have border guards. Imagine that they see someone crossing the border. They want to shoot this person. But the person leaves. And they follow the person into the other country to kill them.

That is what makes this an act of war. NATO does not apply - NATO does not protect a country that takes acts of aggression. And crossing into another country to kill someone just because they earlier were in yours, IS AN ACT OF WAR.

Looks like the US us already distancing itself from Turkey:

"This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the (US-led coalition operations)," Warren told a Pentagon briefing, via video-conference from Baghdad. - Sky

So let me get this straight. Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter jet near the Syrian border, the parachuting Russian pilots get shot by ISIS.

Turkey is responsible for aiding and abetting the death of Russian military personnel by the hands of terrorists.

Well NATO, I hope you knew what you were doing when you fast-tracked Ergodan ruthless and clearly stupid regime.

Some one is shooting down the Russians as they parachute down.Russians will is just going to call them all terrorist.

originally posted by: asen_y2k
Looks like the US us already distancing itself from Turkey:

"This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the (US-led coalition operations)," Warren told a Pentagon briefing, via video-conference from Baghdad. - Sky

Um one word "NATO"

I guess NATO doesn't mean # after all.

originally posted by: madmick
Well, are AK-47's not russian or chinese?

Chinese, I think ... and aren't there a lot of M16 look alikes as well, known as CQ? As well as the real deal.

So, how do you think these weapons get there? perhaps by US and NATO planes parasuiting these weapons in? ya think? or, perhaps by a much more suitable route, by land from Turkey.

I have to wonder, considering both aircrew managed to eject and both parachutes clearly opened, did the poor people die due to injury via the missile attack or were the killed on the ground?

originally posted by: Gin
a reply to: bjarneorn

This is the area where CNN Turk claims their airspace was violated. It's 2.7km wide. Let's go with a really low number, assuming the SU was cruising at a leisurely 600km/h. That's 16 seconds to cross this distance. And in that time they supposed warned the aircraft minutes long and with 10 seperate messages. They really had to had their timing down. That plane was max 20 seconds in Turkey. You can't fly like 1 km behind SU-24s gotta be at least 5 km out. Sidewinders go at about 920 meters per second. So they had a good 10~15 seconds to legally shoot it down in turkey. German Precision right here.

Also: Turkey crossed over into Syrian airspace to kill someone who had already left their country. Imagine that you have border guards. Imagine that they see someone crossing the border. They want to shoot this person. But the person leaves. And they follow the person into the other country to kill them.

That is what makes this an act of war. NATO does not apply - NATO does not protect a country that takes acts of aggression. And crossing into another country to kill someone just because they earlier were in yours, IS AN ACT OF WAR.

This Post deserves a thread on its own.

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