The Question for which Berenstein Skeptics Have No Answer

Another possibility in the Berenstein/Berenstain brouhaha is that maybe the books (not dealing with the cartoons at this point) have been republished by people with no scruples and an unwillingness to pay royalties to the authors. It would be like the white van speaker phenomenon in which mediocre speakers are sold with names like "Vanderbach," a name close to the real speaker brand of "Vandersteen."

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Another possibility in the Berenstein/Berenstain brouhaha is that maybe the books (not dealing with the cartoons at this point) have been republished by people with no scruples and an unwillingness to pay royalties to the authors. It would be like the white van speaker phenomenon in which mediocre speakers are sold with names like "Vanderbach," a name close to the real speaker brand of "Vandersteen."

So then where are the supposed authors named Berenstein who are allegedly being denied the royalties?

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

So then where are the supposed authors named Berenstein who are allegedly being denied the royalties?

Don't know - I'm just throwing out a possible explanation - something to keep the phenomenon within some rational framework. You know, if anything sells well, and these books did, someone, somewhere takes notice and thinks about making a knockoff.

You're saying the authors are just as mysterious as the books?

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
You're saying the authors are just as mysterious as the books?

No -- quite the opposite.

Stan and Jan Berenstain were well-known at the time that the books were being written and published. Their son was also involved with illustrating the books, and I'm guessing he still holds estate copyrights.

There was never any indication that years after the original books were written that the publishers made up the name "Berenstain" (and the personas of Stan and Jan Berenstain) in order to steal the royalties from some author named Berenstein (who your speculative theory alleges to exist) . If they did, you would think that the real author Berenstein in your alleged theory would say something about it if they actually existed.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Back to my white van idea, Richard Vandersteen may be unaware that some bozo in Newark is selling speakers branded "Vanderbach" from a van. If he did, he might, or might not take action. Meantime, the white van guy is capitalizing on folks not quite remembering the correct name, but remembering that they were good speakers.

BTW, I have a pair of Vandersteens - great speakers.

a reply to: network dude

Quite the contrary. This evidences the awakening of the masses. Awareness.

Deep inside that very place of who we really are, we KNOW our reality has been shifted. The simple change of the E to an A is enough to launch the expansion of the collective mind and to begin the embrace of acceptance of timeline shifts.

I have no answer for those who do not question the change. I don't know when, where, why, or how.

Upon reading this thread I immediately asked a person with idedic memory. The answer was BerenstEin. That prompted my posting as I too have the "stein" memory mostly because I packed a Berenstein lunchbox every morning for my neice. I looked at it every morning during 2 school years.

We live in interesting times, do we not?

a reply to: DelMarvel

...only to discover the name had magically changed.

If the proximate cause of the name change was due to a timeshift for those now aware, there is nothing "magic" about it. We simply do not know how, physically, this is possible.

With the famous Peanuts author, it is more readily visible that its the hardcore fans, scholars, and even teachers who are the ones pointing out that his name has suddenly changed - ie the hallmart long crossed T in his signature in the comics section of nationwide papers - has vanished.
Whereas, the everyday citizen with no doubt a busy life and past not in arena of reading/editorial will just boldly declare: IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CURRENT PEANUTS SPELLING! (ready to pull out a book from like 50 years ago as 'proof' and closure. This is the case I see for 9/10 Stainers just as well)

www.reddit.com...

aaugh.com...

books.google.com... hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwATgKahUKEwjBt9zUvZzIAhXMoogKHX3gA9M

www.pinterest.com...

www.imsa.com...

'Peanuts comic strip artist Charles Schulz painted the 1964 Sebring poster. ... artist in 1964 was named Charles Shultz, but note the last name is spelled different .'

www.sebringraceway.com...

^ this one is very revealing! because Charles' signature in this popular illustration somehow remained unchanged, the artwork is now dismissed as an 'urban legend' that it was done by him altogether; yet no recognition of the deemed other ' Charles Shultz' that is unrelated to Peanuts... again, wnat an injustice; can anyone say 'timeline/reality damage control apologetics'?!

Figures any link to the anomaly or the 1964 image is now blocked on the internet; will be interesting to see what happens (having then died off or at least calmed?) to the storm of discussions and videos disputing the current spelling of 'Berenstein Bears' from the public in the coming decades..

a reply to: Chadwickus

The entire world has changed. Technology has lead the charge.

originally posted by: Milah

www.reddit.com...

aaugh.com...

books.google.com... hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwATgKahUKEwjBt9zUvZzIAhXMoogKHX3gA9M

www.pinterest.com...

Uh..almost all of those links confirm the "Schulz" spelling. So they misspelled his name on Pinterest. All of his images and books shown under that listing have the "Schulz" spelling and signature. And a misspelling of his name in a passing reference slipped by a book editor or two in fifty years? That's all you got?

originally posted by: Milah
www.imsa.com...

'Peanuts comic strip artist Charles Schulz painted the 1964 Sebring poster. ... artist in 1964 was named Charles Shultz, but note the last name is spelled different .'

www.sebringraceway.com...

^ this one is very revealing! because Charles' signature in this popular illustration somehow remained unchanged, the artwork is now dismissed as an 'urban legend' that it was done by him altogether; yet no recognition of the deemed other ' Charles Shultz' that is unrelated to Peanuts... again, wnat an injustice; can anyone say 'timeline/reality damage control apologetics'?!

Figures any link to the anomaly or the 1964 image is now blocked on the internet; will be interesting to see what happens (having then died off or at least calmed?) to the storm of discussions and videos disputing the current spelling of 'Berenstein Bears' from the public in the coming decades..

So if I have this straight---you're posting two links that say Schulz DID NOT paint a 1964 Sebring poster as evidence that he did?

And his signature on said poser remains "unchanged" but we need to just take your word for it as all images are now "blocked on the internet."

a reply to: Milah

Schulz: "..if they write "Dear Celebrity," and it's a form letter, we throw it away. I cannot understand anybody wanting a favor from somebody and not only not even—most of the time not spelling your name right, but not even using your name at all."

www.michaelbarrier.com...

Now, as many of you may already know, there is no "T" in Charles Schulz's last name. While this may seem a trivial point, it seems that, all his life, Schulz was constantly seeing his name misspelled (blame it on "Hogan's Heroes"). It became an increasing irritant to him, to the point that he would actually take written umbrage with various publications over the years, on the frequent occasions when they would again and again add the dreaded "T".
Once, as a matter of fact, an invitation from an elementary school class arrived at his home, addressed to "Mr. Schultz", and requesting a phone interview. Schulz looked at the thing, called the school, and agreed. The big day arrived, the class had a phone hooked up to a speaker so they could all talk with the Great Man - who proceeded to take the class, and especially the teacher, to task for not bothering to get his name straight. He advised the kids to learn from the incident, and never send anything off without making sure it's right.

www.bookagain.com...

Beyond that, problems abounded. The program’s opening skating scene gave Mendelson serious second thoughts. He decided adding lyrics to Vince Guaraldi’s music would beef up the sequence, but no songwriters were available to complete the task. Undaunted, Mendelson sat down and wrote “Christmas Time Is Here” in under ten minutes.
Four weeks before the program was broadcast, Mendelson and Melendez were watching the first cut of the show with ten other animators. Mendelson noticed that Schulz’s last name was misspelled as “Schultz” during the closing credits – “a bad omen that needed to be fixed right away.” To make matters worse, the closing credits were white text against a snowy background, making them very difficult to read. But it was too expensive to fix as the project was already well over budget.

www.todayifoundout.com...

The interview was the polar opposite of the last interview with dying, crying Peanuts cartoonist Charles Schulz shown near the end of last week's American Masters profile of Schulz on PBS. The documentary revealed how Schulz incorporated his own past into his comic strip, just as Potter reworked his life into The Singing Detective and other teleplays. Possibly Schulz was crying after a lifetime of seeing writers misspell his name as "Schultz." Even PBS couldn't get it right.

potrzebie.blogspot.com...

I've always known it as the Bernstein bears. The stain part doesn't makes any sense. Some thing has altered the time line. Time also seems to be moving really fast. It also seems that reality has glitches and feels artificial at times. This could be an effect of the Schumann resonance being at an unheard of pulse rate. All biological systems vibrate on the same frequency as the planet. Reality may actually be changing.

originally posted by: Oannes
I've always known it as the Bernstein bears. The stain part doesn't makes any sense...

The fact that in your mind a name ending in "--stein" makes more sense to you than a name ending in "--stain" may be the reason why you wrongly remember it as "Berenstein".

True, names ending in "stein" is very common, hence the reason people may be remembering that way.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Milah

Schulz: "..if they write "Dear Celebrity," and it's a form letter, we throw it away. I cannot understand anybody wanting a favor from somebody and not only not even—most of the time not spelling your name right, but not even using your name at all."

www.michaelbarrier.com...

Now, as many of you may already know, there is no "T" in Charles Schulz's last name. While this may seem a trivial point, it seems that, all his life, Schulz was constantly seeing his name misspelled (blame it on "Hogan's Heroes"). It became an increasing irritant to him, to the point that he would actually take written umbrage with various publications over the years, on the frequent occasions when they would again and again add the dreaded "T".
Once, as a matter of fact, an invitation from an elementary school class arrived at his home, addressed to "Mr. Schultz", and requesting a phone interview. Schulz looked at the thing, called the school, and agreed. The big day arrived, the class had a phone hooked up to a speaker so they could all talk with the Great Man - who proceeded to take the class, and especially the teacher, to task for not bothering to get his name straight. He advised the kids to learn from the incident, and never send anything off without making sure it's right.

www.bookagain.com...

Beyond that, problems abounded. The program’s opening skating scene gave Mendelson serious second thoughts. He decided adding lyrics to Vince Guaraldi’s music would beef up the sequence, but no songwriters were available to complete the task. Undaunted, Mendelson sat down and wrote “Christmas Time Is Here” in under ten minutes.
Four weeks before the program was broadcast, Mendelson and Melendez were watching the first cut of the show with ten other animators. Mendelson noticed that Schulz’s last name was misspelled as “Schultz” during the closing credits – “a bad omen that needed to be fixed right away.” To make matters worse, the closing credits were white text against a snowy background, making them very difficult to read. But it was too expensive to fix as the project was already well over budget.

www.todayifoundout.com...

The interview was the polar opposite of the last interview with dying, crying Peanuts cartoonist Charles Schulz shown near the end of last week's American Masters profile of Schulz on PBS. The documentary revealed how Schulz incorporated his own past into his comic strip, just as Potter reworked his life into The Singing Detective and other teleplays. Possibly Schulz was crying after a lifetime of seeing writers misspell his name as "Schultz." Even PBS couldn't get it right.

potrzebie.blogspot.com...

'Umm' in each of those instances his name WAS spelled incorrectly: C was added! of course he was always correcting people because they added the C.

I do find it most bizarre that skeptics are continually grasping at conversations 'correcting' to the 'CURRENT' spelling even when the whole premise of the argument is exactly that! Hello, continuity?

And yes the elusive 'charles sHulTz' 1964 sebring poster is CRUCIAL insight in helping PINPOINT WHEN the event horizon occured, yet it has apparently sunken into the deep abyss of too-revealing (likely 'above top secret') relics online.

i mean seriously, when someone actually does point out the Charles Shultz name on the poster and ask who is the author, their being told 'it's NOT Charles Schulz, obviously'.. umm... duhh? as if because its not by the Peanuts dude, the answer to the Q is totally evaded. too suspicious.

does one REALLY expect to find Above Top Secret 'evidence' publically displayed online?!

i implore Steiners and Tzers to dig deeper into their memories and share every tidbit of 'evidence' for matter is fluid and fallible.



the time has come when people need to start doing this to clarify, also with Berenstein Bears & Charles:

Peanuts By Jeff Shultz (not Schulz) | Snoopy

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^ Yes that is 'Jeff's drawing, not Charles.



Note how 'JEFF' Shultz did NOT boldly cross his T's in his surname (Archie, Betty&Veronia, some Peanuts, etc) the way CHARLES Shultz did.
Yet obviousy 'Jeff's sig (above the above pic) is eeerily similar to Charles' own comic sig (albeit the one missing the T in this quadrant):



the dramatically crossed T was so uncanny, that I'd be surprised if Universe Steiners/Shultzers don't recall it when they sometimes read the papers' comics!

a potential huge conspiracy theory in and of itself! considering on the archiefans forums the indicate he is on the list for comic events and has a facebook page with a mug shot, but apparently no one from tose AF forum threads could confirm they saw him at any event! Jeff's work is strikingly similar to both Charles' and DeCarlo. might even be related to why the entire 'Great Pumpkin' ending in the book/movie were DELETED altogether in THIS quadrant of the continuum.

originally posted by: Milah

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Milah

Schulz: "..if they write "Dear Celebrity," and it's a form letter, we throw it away. I cannot understand anybody wanting a favor from somebody and not only not even—most of the time not spelling your name right, but not even using your name at all."

www.michaelbarrier.com...

Now, as many of you may already know, there is no "T" in Charles Schulz's last name. While this may seem a trivial point, it seems that, all his life, Schulz was constantly seeing his name misspelled (blame it on "Hogan's Heroes"). It became an increasing irritant to him, to the point that he would actually take written umbrage with various publications over the years, on the frequent occasions when they would again and again add the dreaded "T".
Once, as a matter of fact, an invitation from an elementary school class arrived at his home, addressed to "Mr. Schultz", and requesting a phone interview. Schulz looked at the thing, called the school, and agreed. The big day arrived, the class had a phone hooked up to a speaker so they could all talk with the Great Man - who proceeded to take the class, and especially the teacher, to task for not bothering to get his name straight. He advised the kids to learn from the incident, and never send anything off without making sure it's right.

www.bookagain.com...

Beyond that, problems abounded. The program’s opening skating scene gave Mendelson serious second thoughts. He decided adding lyrics to Vince Guaraldi’s music would beef up the sequence, but no songwriters were available to complete the task. Undaunted, Mendelson sat down and wrote “Christmas Time Is Here” in under ten minutes.
Four weeks before the program was broadcast, Mendelson and Melendez were watching the first cut of the show with ten other animators. Mendelson noticed that Schulz’s last name was misspelled as “Schultz” during the closing credits – “a bad omen that needed to be fixed right away.” To make matters worse, the closing credits were white text against a snowy background, making them very difficult to read. But it was too expensive to fix as the project was already well over budget.

www.todayifoundout.com...

The interview was the polar opposite of the last interview with dying, crying Peanuts cartoonist Charles Schulz shown near the end of last week's American Masters profile of Schulz on PBS. The documentary revealed how Schulz incorporated his own past into his comic strip, just as Potter reworked his life into The Singing Detective and other teleplays. Possibly Schulz was crying after a lifetime of seeing writers misspell his name as "Schultz." Even PBS couldn't get it right.

potrzebie.blogspot.com...

'Umm' in each of those instances his name WAS spelled incorrectly: C was added! of course he was always correcting people because they added the C.

What are you talking about? His name was CHARLES SCHULZ. With a "C." He was always correcting people for adding the "T" as I documented above.

originally posted by: Milah
I do find it most bizarre that skeptics are continually grasping at conversations 'correcting' to the 'CURRENT' spelling even when the whole premise of the argument is exactly that! Hello, continuity?

Well, you lost me there.
What are you trying to say? That any evidence in the "current" reality for the "Schulz" spelling is because we shifted timelines?
Except, of course, for whatever examples you can find of his frequently misspelled name being previously misspelled in "this reality?"

originally posted by: Milah
Peanuts By Jeff Shultz (not Schulz) | Snoopy

| Pinterest
www.pinterest.com...
Pinterest
Peanuts Charlie Brown, Peanut Charli Brown, Peanut Fans, Peanut Gang. Peanuts By Jeff Shultz (not Schulz): Peanuts Charlie Brown, Peanut Charli Brown.
Peanuts By Jeff Shultz (not Schulz) | SNOOOOOP | Pinterest
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Your OWN LINK from above explains the Jeff Schultz and Jeff Schulz connection:
aaugh.com...

I have books that have been in my continued possession since the nineteen sixties that say "Schulz." So what happened to the books that say "Schultz?" Are they back in timeline 1? How about the "me" that owned the "Schultz" books? Also back in timeline 1? Then where is the "you" that should be in this reality and remembering the "Schulz" spelling?

This is just bad science fiction. Silly and bad.

I see the OP has still ignored my question and has now changed the goal posts.

Well done

originally posted by: DelMarvel

What are you talking about? His name was CHARLES SCHULZ. With a "C." He was always correcting people for adding the "T" as I documented above.

Cool story, bro. He was often correcting people about mispelling his name.

Someone ELSE slipped the 'T' in his mouth. Reread your own 'documented' quotes.

And.. 'Always'? LOL

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Oannes
I've always known it as the Bernstein bears. The stain part doesn't makes any sense...

The fact that in your mind a name ending in "--stein" makes more sense to you than a name ending in "--stain" may be the reason why you wrongly remember it as "Berenstein".

True, names ending in "stein" is very common, hence the reason people may be remembering that way.

Nope. Many of us also clearly remember wondering how to pronounce it, steen or stine. Berenstain is easy to pronounce and there would be no wondering how to pronounce it.

The "Berenstein/Berenstain" connundrum bothered me before, but the more I look at this, and other anomalies people are suddenly blurting out, the more I think that it is just one of those weird words that we read the first part of, and our mind fills in the rest based upon previous associations.

Take "Leonard Bernstein", the famous composer that almost everyone has heard about and let's add it into the mix (Bernstein,Berenstein,Berenstain). If someone wrote out Leonard Berenstain, I think most people would see it in their minds eye as Bernstein. (I did, even writing this)

If the conundrum was between something like Bob Asimov and Issac Asimov - now that would have some legs.

a reply to: Night Star

What about all the works published before the bears that is spelt Berenstain?