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ReturnofTheSonOfNothing
Lo, and there was much wailing on ATS and gnashing of teeth..
yuppa
FreeWillAnomaly
yuppa
FreeWillAnomaly
reply to post by yuppa
Simply false but I don't feel like debating it.
BS. you dont want to debate it because its spot on. NT christians are NOT UNDER THE OT COVENANT and as SUCH ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ITS LAWS,EXCEPT THOSE SPECIFICALLY SPOKEN BY JESUS HIMSELF FOR THEM TO FOLLOW.
Jesus is the Law fulfilled. If you follow Jesus you follow the Law anyways. You can not disregard the OT.
I'm not going to debate with you.edit on 21-2-2014 by FreeWillAnomaly because: (no reason given)
Well you obviosly DIDNT READ MY ENTIRE POST. The OT law WAS fulfilled yes BUT that MOSAIC COVENANT was for the HEBREWS/JEWS ALONE AND ISRAEL. I tell you what Ill even give you a link where i found the information,but only if you read it and do not dismiss it.
Christians and the OT confusion
CynicalDrivel
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
So, you're of the mentality that if something is fufilled that it must be continually done? That's not always the case.
For instance, if my job requires a degree, that doesn't automatically mean that I've got to stay in school the rest of my life. now, if I get the job without the degree--I might still have to go to school to finish the degree. But that would be between me and my employer, no? So, if things in the real world aren't this bound, why do we force the Bible to be?
CynicalDrivel
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
And anything that has that much to say on the subject is'nt likely to fall in neat lines of following/not following Law.
yuppa
ReturnofTheSonOfNothing
Lo, and there was much wailing on ATS and gnashing of teeth..
I have I idea. go to that link i posted then try to explain WHY the LAW you QUOTE still Aplies ok? K thanx Buh bye.
Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Like 11:46
You can not be forgiven for your sins without Jesus. I was telling you what is necessary to come to Jesus.
FreeWillAnomaly
ArtemisE
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
God sure didn't love the phillisteans. I quite sue I slaughtered the spelling. He quite literally " told" the Israelites to commit genocide. Killed them, their children even there live stock. Or did god love them too?
The worshipers of Baal were wiped out in the OT. He told some guy (forget his name)to kill them all. He rounded them all up by pretending to have a ceremony honoring Baal and then wiped them all out. Of course, they were sacrificing their kids to demons and committing every sin imaginable.... So yeah, God hates some people. People who say "God loves everyone equally" are just fishing for donations and followers.
windword
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Like 11:46
I left this scripture as an accusation to you, of your method of deliberately confusing the words and teachings of your master. You sit in your own, self made, holy of holies, worshiping a God that hates, a God of jealousy and wrath, as you proudly look down on others. You don't follow HIS teachings, you don't know how to forgive others or even understand how important it is to your own salvation. You are walking through life with a proverbial millstone, of your own design, around your neck.
You can not be forgiven for your sins without Jesus. I was telling you what is necessary to come to Jesus.
That's not what Jesus said.
Yes you have to forgive everyone who wrongs you and, something you conveniently do not mention, pray for your enemies.
Rom 2:17-29
17 But if you bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God, 18 and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, 21 you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? 24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," just as it is written.
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Rom 3:27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
Romans 4:1-14
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven,
And whose sins have been covered.
8 "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account."
9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "Faith was credited to abraham as righteousness." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised , or uncircumcised ? Not while circumcised , but while uncircumcised ; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.