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reply to post by NONPOINT21
Believe it or not, this is making headway.
Yes, cloud seeding is very real. Yes they use aircraft (and other means) to deploy it.
However, it isn't visible from the ground.
You cannot see it happening, and you MUST have a cloud that is supersaturated before you even think about seeding it.
Plus it's done at low altitudes. (where rain clouds are at)
Contrails are visible and happen at 25-35 thousand feet.
My point is, when discussing contrails/chemtrails, cloud seeding is very, very different. It confuses people. It doesn't help the discussion.
reply to post by FissionSurplus
I understand Chaff and I agree they are used and confirmed by radar in some cases, but to suggest this is what all these chemtrails are goes against so many of your other arguments you've posted about in all the countless other threads on the subject. You keep saying that I or the believers don't take any evidence you provide into account. That is entirely untrue, the difference is it's not enough to sway opinion.
Both sides have evidence that supports it's opinion/theories. Fact is we have no facts. To be honest your stance is very confusing today. It's well known you don't believe in chemtrails and almost despise anyone that won't be swayed by the evidence you believe to be true.
You believe in Weather Modification, but somehow this has no ties to airplanes and chemtrails.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by suggesting that believers don't know what military chaffs are. They are brought up in almost every chemtrail thread on this site.
Basically I'm just confused lol.
reply to post by FissionSurplus
That response was for Network Dude, I guess I clicked on your name by mistake as a response. I also IM you stating the same. I apologize for the error.
reply to post by network dude
Since you are the self-appointed chemtrail "expert", please provide an explanation as to what a chemtrail is. I eagerly await your response.
So, we know that the American military has dropped a lot of potentially dangerous chaff in the U.S. and elsewhere. Is this, however, proof that of chemtrails?
Chemtrails conspiracy theories assert that dangerous levels of toxic materials are being purposefully deposited by the government, through distribution in long, artificial clouds behind airplanes at high altitudes. In order for data to constitute evidence of the reality of chemtrail conspiracies, then, the data need to show that any substance that has been distributed by government airplanes has been 1. Toxic, and 2. Purposefully toxic.
After spending a lot of time on ATS over the past two years, I have to say that this constant ignorance when it comes to chemtrails really is starting to chap my hide. Posters claim, "I haven't found anything to prove that they are anything but contrails." Seriously? How hard have you looked?
Fair enough. Jaffo convinced me that this subject is done and chemtrails don't exist, so let's move on to the next one loledit on 22-1-2014 by NONPOINT21 because: (no reason given)
Sorry if I just find it a bit odd
but when someone comes across "the smoking gun" they tell all about it, but never seem to bother taking a picture if it, or test the smoke.
You had what could be spider webs, chaff, or some secret chemtrail material all around you and you were amazingly aware of your surroundings, but just too damn lazy to get a sample?