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The JFK Assassination----NASA and USAEC Roles-----50 Years is long Enough

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posted on Jan, 27 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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Now most can figure out why E Howard Hunt used the alias of "Knight"

And David Atlee Phillips used the alias of "Bishop" (Connected with Bishop Spellman as a Knight of Malta)

The CIA code names when they were doing the Knights of Malta deeds.


E Howard Hunt's Alias


edit on 27-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Code names tell everything !




posted on Jan, 27 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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Other Knights of Malta:

Citations:




Clay Shaw

J. Edgar Hoover

Reinhard Gehlen

Heinrich Himmler

James Jesus Angelton

Harold A.R. 'Kim' Philby

(President) Ronald E. Reagan

Joseph Retinger

Cardinal Francis Spellman

Nelson Rockefeller
David Rockefeller

William F. Buckley, Jr.
George H.W Bush
George W. Bush
Jeb Bush
Precott Bush, Jr.

William Casey

Bill Donovan
Allen Dulles
Avery Dulles



Source:

Knights of Malta List



posted on Jan, 27 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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Now you can figure out why Cord Meyer got close to LBJ, and was close to Angleton. imho


JFK had one of his affairs with Cord Meyer's former wife Mary and she teaches JFK lots about the CIA drugs, and more.

Mary Meyer gets gunned down on Columbus Day near a Canal in 1964. imho

Mary Meyer knew enough to know the main CIA element wanting to off JFK.

Then Angleton gets caught looking for her Diary or other materials after her death. imho

Source:

Mary Meyer and JFK



posted on Jan, 27 2014 @ 09:31 PM
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posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 07:02 AM
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Nochzwei


Hey ruling the roost does not justify posting blatant lies as you have just done.


Prove it's a lie.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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reply to post by network dude
 


JFK was telling there was too much unwarranted secrecy and he did not intend to permit it. imho

The problems were Dulles exceeding the CIA's founding mandate, per Truman, and used unwarranted secrecy to start Murder Inc. by the CIA.

JFK then sent forth to radically change the power of the CIA and put kill operations under JCS, not CIA. imho

Thus, JFK found the repugnant issue of secrecy of his own Government's CIA, and that was via Mason Dulles and his CIA Brotherhood to include the Knights of Malta lower America's kill the opposition, aka Murder Inc..

There is little doubt the speech was about Dulles and CIA, as JFK terminated Dulles Nov 29, 1961 for constantly trying to run over JFK policy. The speech was merely the run up for that and a warning to Dulles. imho


Thus, it is adequately shown the persons objection per lacking truth has merit and is sustained. imho

In later times, LBJ makes reference to Murder, Inc. in the Caribbean as being the cause for the JFK hit, and Dulles OPERATION 40 was the Dulles Caribbean Murder, Inc, to which LBJ made reference. imho

LBJ and Nixon backed Operation White Star, the run up of the Vietnam war, then LBJ along with Nixon backed Vietnam Operation Phoenix, which made CIA Operation 40's Murder Inc. pale in comparison.

JFK set out to wipe out OPERATION 40 type CIA operations. JFK wiped Nixon out of the election as Nixon began sweating like a Pig as the lies came forth. JFK continued with the take down of Dulles and other CIA gang, some being both Masons and Knight Maltas.

Op 40 was presided over by Dulles and Nixon, and JFK, in the Nixon-JFK debates, burned Nixon on the debate stage by talking about the Bay of Pigs issues, melting down Nixon in a puddle of sweat and lies, and winning the debates and the election. imho


Cite:




Kennedy-Nixon Debates, 1960

John Kennedy and Richard Nixon engaged in a series of national TV debates during the 1960 campaign. Kennedy was briefed by Allen Dulles, head of the CIA at Eisenhower's request, on secret CIA activities and international problems on July 23, 1960. Nixon was not aware of the briefing contents and was not sure whether Dulles told Kennedy about the Bay of Pigs plans.



Source:

Ike supplied JFK Bay of Pigs existence



edit on 28-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Such is adequate rebuttal for showing lacking truth. imho



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


And yet:


JFK is talking about something which he himself mentioned.. the Cold war. And Communist Russia in particular. But he's also talking about something else still, and even making a request to the very people he is addressing face to face - The press. He's specifically asking them for more secrecy with how they report and to treat the situation with the Soviets and Communism as if it was a "real war" - In other words report on the news as if they were in a war with the Soviets thus being able to withhold certain secrets which could be a national security threat..

The disastrous Bay of Pigs incident occurred around 10 days earlier you see, It was a disaster of the highest degree and caused a tremendous amount of Embarrassment for the American Government. In short a CIA trained force of Cuban Exiles, one recruiter being E. Howard Hunt who later claimed in a deathbed confession that Lyndon Baines Johnson was the main person behind the murder of JFK in fact, planned to Invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs with approval of the American Government (thus why they were CIA trained), in an attempt to overthrow Fidel Castro, and even in later years the CIA, along with the Mafia in fact, continued to try and assassinate him.


All it takes is to remove your cranium from your rectum to see that you are just wrong.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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The gavel has landed----you are judged for lacking truth. No appeals. imho


I am well aware of Rising Against and I have talked to him on various occasions. Yet, the message from JFK is very clear that the Cold War was not in need of more secrecy. JFK went on to by-pass the secrecy issues and made backwater channels to talk with Khrushchev and Castro. imho


JFK was a very good comedian for this speech and the only thing he wanted more secrecy over was the Golf Course, where he banned the press. Otherwise, he wanted minimum secrecy, and almost everything weighed by public opinion.

The whole message of the entire speech stems from the summation at the end, which was what it all built up to say. imho

It flatly tells JFK wants less secrecy, fullest possible information, and that he intend to provide that in his administration.


JFK went on to employ that criteria by attempting to out LBJ for his many criminal activities in LIFE Magazine article, where RFK fed the LIFE reporter the needed information to basically destroy LBJ, so JFK could get a New VP pick in the next election. imho

The problem was that the Luce Reporting system that was Knights Malta connected blabbed what JFK and RFK intended, which mean't Dallas had to off JFK.

It was this openness issue on telling the truth on LBJ and even asking the questions on UFO secrecy that got JFK killed. Just like they knew JFK was going to destroy LBJ by stating the facts, they knew that JFK would lay down the criminal issues linked with UFOs.

So, in essence, this ultimate honesty speech is what got JFK killed, because he wanted the public to know. imho

Not only did JFK speak for Openness, he was in the process of delivering it against LBJ, but soon against the NAZI issues on UFOs.

Cite:




This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security--and we intend to do it.



Source:

JFK PRESS and Secret Society Speech



edit on 28-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: JFK wanted openness and he was delivering on what he said via this speech. imho



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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MagnumOpus
reply to post by network dude
 


The gavel has landed----you are judged for lacking truth. No appeals. imho



Your opinion is wrong. You can chose to rely on the chopped up edited version of the Kennedy speech which you have done, or you can read and UNDERSTAND the whole version. Un edited.

If you were just coming in for the first time bandying around that idea, it would just be a case of simple ignorance, but you have seen the error pointed out to you time and again, yet you still refuse to accept the truth. That's blatantly lying.

Stop the lies.

edit to add:

My topic tonight is a more sober one of concern to publishers as well as editors.

Stop the lies.
edit on 28-1-2014 by network dude because: stupid is as stupid does, and lying is stupid.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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reply to post by MagnumOpus
 

Then why did JFK ask for greater secrecy?

reply to post by MagnumOpus
 

Giving opposing thought is not lacking truth.

Those who only pay attention to one piece and pretend it is the only relevant piece are ignorant and lack many of the facts.

JFK never says he wants less secrecy, in fact, he states in the speech that we need greater secrecy.

Yes, this speech got him killed, over 2-years later.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


Are you aware that JFK was a member of a Secret Society?

Knowing this kind of puts the nail in the coffin for your little mindless rant.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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It is very apparent that you seek to promote only ignorance and misinformation. imho

JFK assigns the printing press to the duty of strength and independence and give man what he was born to be: free and independent.


Thus, such cannot be achieved via more secrecy, but only via absolute minimal. JFK proposed the press be allowed to record history and that secrecy be highly limited, and that his administration intended to provide that. imho


As such, and via intelligent and informed readers that don't miss the entire point of the speech, you misled or lied to us. imho


So take the nonsense somewhere else.





And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.




JFK Press Freedom Speach



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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If anyone read the speech----and a number here lack essential reading skills----JFK seeks to compare and weigh one theme against the other and he finds that less secrecy is the JFK plan

Specifically stated as number one is greater public information:


I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.



Then he debates the former and the latter and comes down in the issue to minimize secrecy and produce openness so the press may record man's directions, and via that process become Free and Independent.


JFK values most Free and Independent via the process of Openness to the Press being maximized.


It is incontrovertible as to what JFK intended to get the editors and publishes to use their presses to get the maximum information out for public discussions.
edit on 28-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Those that attempt vile name calling, lost the very first word from their mouth. imho



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:43 PM
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My topic tonight is a more sober one of concern to publishers as well as editors.
I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.
This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.


I can do this all day long. This is the prelude to the part you like to base your poor opinion on.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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Clearly, for those that can read at the higher academic levels, JFK tossed out items of opposite intention. imho

He chose to optimize number 1, and cut number 2 to a absolute minimum.

JFK recognizes the Coup on Freedom of the Press due to the faked up cold war stemming from the Mil / Ind Network games, and the drama of a Communist behind every tree to promote scare tactics against the US.

Clearly when those selling the cold war come down to Royalist's factions interests in propaganda, the Cold War is usurped by the truth of the press finding who paid for the John Birch Society, who made the Young Americans for Freedom, and all the other Anti-Communist issues because the England Royalists and their Bilderberg Nobility hated the Russians after WWII. Eisenhower calls them out at the Mil/Ind Network that was screwing with his Russian Peace Process, and JFK knows the problem is the propaganda and the press can ferret out the dramatic productions.


Thus, the JFK values he developed in the speech was less secrecy to promote the high uses of the Press to provide Freedom and Independence.


You value your ignorance and methods, like LBJ's, to push points that reject truth. imho

Nobody buys bologna that rejects the grinder. Thus, your bologna landed in the dump and it still smells.
edit on 28-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Masons' Poor understanding of the times and the values of JFK, is the only evidence here. imho



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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So no rebuttal on the fact that JFK was in a Secret Society himself?

Brilliant! Ignore facts if they get in the way of a made up version of history.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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network dude
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So no rebuttal on the fact that JFK was in a Secret Society himself?

Brilliant! Ignore facts if they get in the way of a made up version of history.


Oh, he'll just keep on throwing crap against the wall in an effort to see what sticks. It also means that he can claim that he didn't see any rebuttals.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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reply to post by MagnumOpus
 

I love that you say you support freedom, but in an earlier post you said you wanted to fire missiles at American citizens without having gone through a trial.

reply to post by MagnumOpus
 

Except he says "greater secrecy". It seems you lack an understanding of the words "greater" and "secrecy".

reply to post by MagnumOpus
 

Your hubris and arrogance are hilarious. When you have to point out your own intelligence, there lies an insecurity and a contradiction on your part.


He chose to optimize number 1, and cut number 2 to a absolute minimum.

Yes, because asking for greater secrecy is seeking to minimize it.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
 

He was a member of the Knights of Columbus.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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If you two want to really shoot yourselves in the foot again, fine.

Knights of Columbus are VERY anti-Mason !! They appear to have gotten started to counter the problems the Masons caused them over the centuries. imho

All the more reason the MASONS would want to kill JFK for not backing their war games. Mason Dulles wanted JFK dead, Mason Hoover wanted JFK dead, and the list goes on.

JFK didn't keep the Masons secrets about running a Communist Propaganda Campaign to push around the US Affairs of state via making panic in the citizens news.


Pretty Simple. I'll mail you two some more toilet paper. imho


You got to be Catholic to get in the KOC. And you got to follow the Pope. And JFK followed Pope Paul VI tolerance for Communism.


Next think ya know the Masons would be infiltrating the Vatican and killing the Pope for finding out the P-2s were crooks and infiltrators.

Two of a kind dead Catholics, because the Masons follow the Noble code, the Royalist Code, dress like the Nobles.

Catholics only follow the Priesthood, and the theme for why Jesus and Mary was a special Priest.

Masons try to change Jesus into God or King (King being the same term used to persecute Jesus)------KOC's priesthood and the king makers are natural enemies. imho

Masons do all these Degrees and Raisings to seek Perfection, then claim they are god. Which is why the Catholics are not impressed.

The Catholics really need to correct that Trinity concept forged into the Bible for the Emperor, then the Masons and Nobles all become discredited and the Vatican comes out ahead and really more based upon truth. imho


The Jesus theme is only about an Essene High Priest's account for God in Sumeria. imho

Here in the US we dumped the King (Queen) and even made separation of church and state for the Catholics.



edit on 28-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: So much for intelligence with these two. More bad bologna for the dump. imho



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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You're making a horrible assumption that secret society have to be pro-Mason. By the standards held to Masonry, Knights of Columbus is a secret society.

The Knights of Columbus is so anti-Mason that they worked with them for charitable fundraisers.

Also, you assume that because the Catholic Church opposes Freemasonry that Freemasonry opposes the Catholic Church and hates Catholis. Such is not the case.

So you have stated (in this and other posts):

1) JFK was an agent of the Catholic Church.

2) That US citizens who are Masons should be bombed, killed without trial.

3) You seem to support Communism

I'm not sure if you are an extreme progressive or just a contrarian who opposes for the sake of opposing. Either way, you're a troll and a shill.




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