A Silent conspiracy of Islam - one extreme opinion

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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 03:31 AM
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This short video is an interview of one of the leaders of Sharia-For-Belgium groups. It's worth mentioning that it's an Islamic extremist group, which you can deduce by the title of the group itself.

I don't know about you christians, jews or hindus...but I, as an atheist, am feeling the fear here.



Few points from the mouth of this man, worth discussing:

1. Sharia will be implemented world wide (he projects Brussels will have majority of Muslim population by 2030.)
2. There is no difference between Islam and Sharia
3. Democracy is the opposite of Sharia and Islam
4. Muslim who says is against Sharia, it's impossible...he is not a Muslim
5. A democratic Muslim is impossible, same like Christian Jew or a Muslim Jew.
6. Amputation for theft, stoning for infidelity...only a small portion of Sharia
7. apparently in Antwerp, 50 % of children in schools are Muslim.

Now, to downplay all this...we can brush it aside and claim it's a small extremist group. But think about it...what if...really the population of Muslims becomes majority...the extremist voice would than be much stronger. Much more vocal...and the non extremist groups...I fear their fervor and conviction is always less strong than those of fanatical extremist groups, simply because they are willing to spread fear and destruction fueled by their fanatical beliefs.

We shouldn't forget the trouble these extremists cause when they run rampant...and the democratic society enables them to slowly take hold. I fear that Sharia could be enforced eventually, because even the moderate Muslims would accept it easily...since it's kinda...fused in the entire Islam ideology.

If enforced...or even given the chance to choose...would the moderate Muslims reject sharia ?? I doubt it.

Muslims want Sharia



A Pew Research survey of 38,000 Muslims across 39 countries shows the majority favour the implementation of sharia law - though interpretations of the Islamic law vary widely.

Read more: digitaljournal.com...


Good luck democracy...

I'm gonna go on the record and say it. I know it's unpopular and undemocratic...but I just feel uneasy around Islam. Our cultures are so different and they just don't mix...and I feel we shouldn't.

Let me have it...




posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 03:35 AM
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If any religion tried to take control of my government I would fight as many others would.
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass, wall them in and let them all kill each other off to let the rest of humanity who doesn't want state and religion as one get on as a specie.
Scary it is but education will sort it all out....I hope.


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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 03:47 AM
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I wish we could just give them all a big land mass



They already have their own land mass...but for some reason, they choose to come here...

I don't understand that sentiment...If I were fanatical about my beliefs...I would never emigrate to live somewhere were my beliefs are not supported by the community.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:02 AM
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boymonkey74
If any religion tried to take control of my government I would fight as many others would.
I wish we could just give them all a big land mass, wall them in and let them all kill each other off to let the rest of humanity who doesn't want state and religion as one get on as a specie.
Scary it is but education will sort it all out....I hope.


Like you I am in the UK, I didn't see you fighting when Abu was burning the national flag on the streets of London, whilst being protected by our police force, likewise when the extremists were abusing the dead soldiers arriving home whilst again being protected by our police force, it is to late, for some reason western governments are allowing this to happen.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:05 AM
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MarioOnTheFly
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I wish we could just give them all a big land mass



They already have their own land mass...but for some reason, they choose to come here...

I don't understand that sentiment...If I were fanatical about my beliefs...I would never emigrate to live somewhere were my beliefs are not supported by the community.



Because they know it will eventually be excepted, as he said "by 2030" they will not stop until it is excepted, and as I said above, our governments are letting it happen.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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Islam was forced upon people through violence and this will continue to be the case.

They want to live in the dark ages? That's fine, go ahead, but don't expect us to follow suit.

The problem we have here is in the main a result of western foreign policy. If we stayed out of their business, then they would have stayed out of ours. Unfortunately due to our continuing persistence of bringing warfare to a number of Muslim countires, this has displaced millions and also contributed to making young Muslims seek more extremist views. Will this be changing any day soon? I don't think so.

This is just the start really and things will certainly get worse, unless the Muslim commuinites do more to expose extremists living amongst them. And also continue to speak out against these extremist views, but they are scared to do so because of retribution.

In 2000, who would have seen this coming? Particularly in Europe. But here we are and what are our Governments doing about it? Maybe the plan is to make Islam the chosen faith of the One World Government?



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:33 AM
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MarioOnTheFly
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I wish we could just give them all a big land mass



They already have their own land mass...but for some reason, they choose to come here...

I don't understand that sentiment...If I were fanatical about my beliefs...I would never emigrate to live somewhere were my beliefs are not supported by the community.


They have been saying that about the west for years, but the blood bath for oil continues. Now lets all act like we aren't complete morons and ask ourselves how this will actually be implemented. This has the same chance of happening as black people have of getting reparations. Good try.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:43 AM
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Even though they are a minority currently, their voices are very loud and I forsee the Muslim communities increasing their support over the coming years.

They are talking 17 years, but in all liklihood it is going to take longer than that. However, who's to say they will not be the majority faith thoughout Europe in 50 years time? This will have a bearing on the number of politicians who are Muslim, the same people who make the laws. If this is the case, who's going to stop them?



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 04:54 AM
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The problem we have here is in the main a result of western foreign policy. If we stayed out of their business, then they would have stayed out of ours. Unfortunately due to our continuing persistence of bringing warfare to a number of Muslim countires, this has displaced millions and also contributed to making young Muslims seek more extremist views. Will this be changing any day soon? I don't think so.


You are right. Western meddling is certainly one of the reasons for the Muslims emigrating.

But what is to be done about it ? It's too late to point blame fingers...western leaders are toying with this multi-ethnic society concept, while the people on the streets suffer for it. Our system drifted out of rule of majority concept towards rule of special interests in spite of majority. We see it in our political systems so clearly.


But what about the concepts spoken by this man...one in particular rang with me...when he says: that democratic society and Islam are irreconcilable terms...I kinda...feel the same. When you think democracy...and what it should stand for...and than think Islam and it's doctrine...can these two systems work one within another ?? I don't see it...

Are there truly democratic minded Muslims...and are they even Muslims in that case ?



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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My hometown is Leuven, 25km from Brussels, now I live in Diest (ppl say Diestanbul)
(lol another town became Borgerocco, death of Borgerhout)
I don't like Brussels, i'm afraid to go there, a lot of immigrants that
fight a territory war to sell drugs.

I have been a member of Vlaams Belang for 15 years, back then it was Vlaams Blok.
I gave that up because it's of no use, our borders are open and thanks to our royaltys
that had good connections with Marocco our country is filled with them.

Their religion says that everything is yours to take, just don't get caught.
Our religion, Christianity, says you should never steal and have respect etc....
I don't know why these ppl come to our countrys and demand sharia etc, we cant even
build a church over there, on top of that they pee against our churches here...

on a side note:
Dyab Abou Jahjah, to get him out of our country (many years ago) our state dropped
child porn on his computer :p



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:09 AM
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They have been saying that about the west for years, but the blood bath for oil continues. Now lets all act like we aren't complete morons and ask ourselves how this will actually be implemented. This has the same chance of happening as black people have of getting reparations. Good try.


I agree with you on the sentiment of the west and fight for oil. But, let's not forget...Islam has been trying to invade Europe going back at least 1000 years....in times where oil was a non issue. The Otoman empire tried on multiple occasions to penetrate Europe...they succeeded in reaching Bosnia and Hercegovina, and stayed there for at least a hundred years...which is today...one of the most underdeveloped regions of Europe, ethically and politically divided. In fact...all regions that were under the Islamic rule for some time, exhibit a form of...dare I say...backwardness.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:19 AM
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good to see someone from Belgium actually. Your first hand experience from the region is appreciated. I guess I can thank my politicians over here, for making my country not so desirable for emigration. Also, we don't take too kindly to Islamic faith, as we have been on the forefront of the Islamic-christian fight since the days of kings.

After seeing this video, and hearing your words...as I said...I feel fear.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:23 AM
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I hear what you are saying, but these are extremist views.

IMO Sharia law will not be implemented unless more Muslims stand in elections or they attempt to enforce it through warfare.

If they choose the latter, then I would seriously doubt we will just sit back and let it happen. With regards to allowing Abu burn the flag and allowing Muslim extremist groups to protest at the re-patriation of military personnel, this is the price of free speech. Everyone has an opinion and the freedom to express this opinion. Whether we like it or not we will continue to see likeminded individuals such as the people in the video, call for Sharia law to be implemented. It is their goal and ideology, but it will not happen immediately.

That's why I feel their timeframe is probably 30 years off, and only if th status quo is maintained. Meanwhile we will continue to see such extremist views unless the Muslim community take control of the situation, which I honestly cannot see happening.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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The clue is in the video; They are trying to take over the West by outbreeding. Everyone underestimates Muslims and passes their ways as "in the dark ages" but in reality they are implementing an ingenious invasion.

I am English and my tiny nation has fought and defeated the biggest of countries with the toughness and bravery of many men but today we are laying down and dying from an infested wound. No fight at all and why? Because we are told at EVERY opportunity we are racist and shunned if we raise a question in public about Muslims.

But then maybe it's karma for our past. It's just a shame myself and my children have to pay for it.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:33 AM
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That's why I feel their timeframe is probably 30 years off


Agreed on the time frame...but somehow...not much of a consolation for me. 20-30 years more or less...maybe it will miss our generation, but the next one is certainly going to have to deal with it.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:36 AM
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I never underestimate the breeding process


This is exactly why I take this video seriously...even though it's some extremist group...because I can see it happen. They will out breed us eventually. As long as we have a majority...we can control the situation to an extent. I suspect real problems will start once their population reaches majority.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:40 AM
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As an ex-Muslim of the same school of thought (Salafi), and according to Islamic fundamentals,... what Abu Imran said in the video is indeed supported by the earliest and most authentic traditions of Islam. There is no doubt about it. In fact, Islamic eschatology foretells of an end times jihad in which Islam shall be victorious and rule the world-over. Islamic rule over the entire world is what Muslims anticipate with joy and hope.

Islam teaches some wonderful things. It teaches some beautiful concepts. Islam helped uplift a people and forever changed mankind. However, this beauty is mixed in with concepts that are counter to love, compassion, equality, and freedom. Mixed in with the beauty are totalitarian teachings of sexism, slavery, maiming, corporal punishment, beheading, stoning, religious superiority complex, separation and fragmentation of mankind based on religious grounds, non-believer taxation, jihad, homophobia, violence, and religious distrust.



To spread love, compassion, freedom, and safety is why this ex-Muslim now speaks out against Islam. I have come to a realization of the Divine within others,... The Self as the others,... and the unity and interconnections between others and myself. We can no longer support anything that is counter to Loving and Understanding others. We are all one family.

May Peace be upon us all.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:56 AM
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As an ex-Muslim of the same school of thought (Salafi), and according to Islamic fundamentals,... what Abu Imran said in the video is indeed supported by the earliest and most authentic traditions of Islam. There is no doubt about it. In fact, Islamic eschatology foretells of an end times jihad in which Islam shall be victorious and rule the world-over. Islamic rule over the entire world is what Muslims anticipate with joy and hope.


wow...now I'm even more afraid
I was hoping kinda that these things aren't true according to the Islamic doctrine.


You being an ex-muslim of the same school of thought...gives you unique perspective on this.

So I guess you know some people that are moderate Muslims...do you think...those we would call moderate muslims would reject Sharia law...if it ever came up for debate ? I have a feeling that extremists are more influential on the base community than those of a moderate orientation.

If push came to show...I think that the extreme option would prevail among the moderate muslim population.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 05:57 AM
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No doubt a few like us DO see the breeding problem, but it is the fact the most important people like governments don't. Or, they actually do and are letting it happen.
The most important fact to take away from that video is the admission that it is their purpose to do so. It is snowballing now and to the point they can now be open about it because there are so many Muslims in the Western cities that nothing can be done. Their children are now citizens under law and this is the plan.

What CAN happen if governments decide this is too much of a problem? Nothing, they are mostly all citizens now and worse than that; they are a massive community, working together for one cause. The indigenous people of those Western countries are all isolated communities following orders from a government. Who would win?
The patriots who stand up for the rights of their own people in these countries are labelled racists and laughed into oblivion.





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