ENOUGH drama, lets get real here

reply to post by covertpanther
The American public has been dumbed down. Read the Protocols of Zion to figure out how this is going down. Churchill eloquently stated that if you want to know what is wrong with Democracy, have a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. The average dumbed down american is unable to think critically and so, Wolf Blitzer does the thinking for them.
The globalists control the press, they control the government, the control the printing press, they count the votes and they manipulate public thinking. So what is left. All that remains is to round up the guns and drop the hammer.
Snowden, is like a trial balloon and serves several purposes:
- Any American with an IQ higher than a table top knows that NSA is spying on them. The Bluffdale Utah facility is public knowledge. In reality Snowden did not tell us anything we did not already know.
- The public is distracted by the debate about whether Snowden is a traitor or a patriot and forgets to ask if this incident is important enough to merit this shallow debate.
If giving half the gov't security clearances out like prizes in a box of cracker jack didn't stop whistle blowers work what then would work. The assaults on Assange, Pte Manning, Gary McKinnon and finally Snowden is a message loud and clear that whistleblowing will get you in a world of trouble and the gov't will come down hard. So #1 objective of zero tolerance for whistle blowers has been achieved.
- Whistleblowers now know that Orwellian doublespeak will be used to vilify them and there will be no public blowback to support their courage and bravery. Susan Lindauer, Sibel Edmonds, Manning, Assange and Snowden all found out. The message is "You are alone and you will have no public or government support. There is no upside but there is a huge downside to your actions. You will be neither a hero or martyr. As Jefferson said "the person who doesn't read newspapers is better educated than the one who does." Today we could substitute "read newspapers" for "watches TV" Most Americans will buy the media spin and view Snowden as a traitor. Whistle blowing in the future will only make you a lightening rod for ridicule and attack. Snowden makes this loud and clear.
- The Snowden incident sends the message that the individual has no power to make change. If Snowden did not punctuate this point, then the Michael Hastings death will. Piss off the criminal Cabal that governs the US and you will enjoy the same fate.
- The Snowden incident drives home the point that you might be awake but your neighbors aren't. They are in cognitive dissonance and do not want to be reminded how dire the situation is. They just want to be left alone. Want to be critical of the gov't; "don't even think about it."

- In the 2010 census the gov't took the GPS co-ordinates of your front door. A recent poll said most Americans felt safer with drones patrolling the skies. Remember, these can legally be used to take out dissident Americans.
- The Snowden incident now tells the gov't that the public will buy any version of the spin, as long as it is pitched on MSM. The Snowden incident has proved to the gov't that the public is gullible enough to accept any version of events anything without offering resistance. They can now advance the Fabian Socialist agenda one more notch. To keep the lid on society, you only need to give them bread and circuses.
- Having Snowden in Moscow means that the gov't can cast Putin as an enemy to be watched and feared. It will also help sell new arms programs to keep America safe.
Snowden could, for all we know be a gov't agent. He leaks a news story that is not news but only confirms what we already know. It is designed to charge America's emotions, polarize them, and monitor the reaction. They now have their answer. The Snowden story will be forgotten in two weeks,lost in the short memory of the typical citizen. The gov't, knowing that it need not be concerned with whistle blowers and assured that it has full control of the media, can step on the throttle, knowing there will be no blowback. Once again the government has outsmarted a gullible, dumbed down public.

This post was trending on top of home page for like 10min. When I came back to read I had to search for the damn thread.

Scary and true my friend. Was this the digital 911 that was referenced?

Whatya gonna do? What's worse then being at war and no knowing it?

I thought this was the "Days of our Lives" chatroom. Drama is part of the show around here sometimes.

Originally posted by cayrichard
reply to post by covertpanther

 

Snowden, is like a trial balloon and serves several purposes:
- Any American with an IQ higher than a table top knows that NSA is spying on them. The Bluffdale Utah facility is public knowledge. In reality Snowden did not tell us anything we did not already know.

Absolutely and unequivocally, this is incorrect. Perhaps they had a suspicion, but the majority of most private citizens have lives that are simply too busy to think about things like that. They have kids to raise, jobs to go to, bills to pay. Something like this needs to be shoved under the nose forcefully for them to sit up and take notice. Snowden et al were incredibly successful in achieving this.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- The public is distracted by the debate about whether Snowden is a traitor or a patriot and forgets to ask if this incident is important enough to merit this shallow debate.

This is a tactic being propagated by government shills to distract people from the real issue, that there is mass surveillance of every aspect of the digital lives of private citizens.

Originally posted by cayrichardIf giving half the gov't security clearances out like prizes in a box of cracker jack didn't stop whistle blowers work what then would work. The assaults on Assange, Pte Manning, Gary McKinnon and finally Snowden is a message loud and clear that whistleblowing will get you in a world of trouble and the gov't will come down hard. So #1 objective of zero tolerance for whistle blowers has been achieved.

Snowden et al already knew full well what kind of trouble this would get them into. Most of them have been harassed, detained and imprisoned by the alphabet agencies for years. They did not go into this blind.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- Whistleblowers now know that Orwellian doublespeak will be used to vilify them and there will be no public blowback to support their courage and bravery. Susan Lindauer, Sibel Edmonds, Manning, Assange and Snowden all found out. The message is "You are alone and you will have no public or government support. There is no upside but there is a huge downside to your actions. You will be neither a hero or martyr.

Whistleblowers know all about Orwellian doublespeak, You seem to think they are ignorant of how the alphabet agencies and their press shills work. These people are probably more clued in to their inner workings that the vast majority of people who don't work for them. And you are underestimating the support they engendering from the people. And it will only grow from here. Hackers and whistleblowers will be in lock-step with the government security wise. If the government tightens security, the whistleblowers will find ways around it. It was always so and always will be so.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- The Snowden incident sends the message that the individual has no power to make change.

Flagrantly incorrect. The Snowden incident has shown us that we all have the power to expose corruption in power and it's up to us to do it. It WILL happen as the groundswell grows, and it will grow.

I'm not finished with you yet so don't go anywhere.

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I noticed that too - I screen captured this thread in the middle yesterday of the front page - then a couple hours ago another screen capture of it being the SECOND headline on the site - then 20 minutes later it dropped to the middle again

Im not even going to get started.. Ive shared my two sense and enough people got the chance to read it,more then I thought agreed

Thanks for trying to bump my threads Mods Just show more, that you direct the current of information on this site lol.

Now, where were we? Oh, yeah.

Originally posted by cayrichard

Whistle blowing in the future will only make you a lightening rod for ridicule and attack. Snowden makes this loud and clear.

Ridicule may come from corrupt and ignorant people and those with vested interests perhaps but not from anybody else.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- The Snowden incident sends the message that the individual has no power to make change. If Snowden did not punctuate this point, then the Michael Hastings death will. Piss off the criminal Cabal that governs the US and you will enjoy the same fate.

Thankfully there are people out there with enough courage to do the right thing. Feel the fear and do it anyway. These people are heroes of the people and people are starting to understand that. Michael Hastings was a casualty, yes, I agree. That was a clear message to journalists but many will not heed it. It will only serve to strengthen the activists.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- The Snowden incident drives home the point that you might be awake but your neighbors aren't. They are in cognitive dissonance and do not want to be reminded how dire the situation is. They just want to be left alone. Want to be critical of the gov't; "don't even think about it."

Which is why this was executed on such a grand scale. It has given a nudge to those who just wanted to be left alone. It's made them sit up and take notice.

Originally posted by cayrichard
- In the 2010 census the gov't took the GPS co-ordinates of your front door. A recent poll said most Americans felt safer with drones patrolling the skies. Remember, these can legally be used to take out dissident Americans.

I'd like to see the source of your info because I really doubt you there. I've seen an awful lot of commentary from Americans who want the drones stopped. Did you know it's possible to hack drones?

Originally posted by cayrichard
- The Snowden incident now tells the gov't that the public will buy any version of the spin, as long as it is pitched on MSM. The Snowden incident has proved to the gov't that the public is gullible enough to accept any version of events anything without offering resistance.

Wrong. People have woken up to how the press works, how the propaganda is spread. The Snowden incident proves that not EVERYBODY believes the press. There are rallies being held, petitions being signed left, right and centre over this. Americans are thinking and talking about the morality behind this revelation like I haven't seen them do before. They're questioning everything. It gives me great hope.

Originally posted by cayrichard
They can now advance the Fabian Socialist agenda one more notch. To keep the lid on society, you only need to give them bread and circuses.

Don't be so f'ing patronizing.

Originally posted by cayrichard
Snowden could, for all we know be a gov't agent. He leaks a news story that is not news but only confirms what we already know. It is designed to charge America's emotions, polarize them, and monitor the reaction. They now have their answer. The Snowden story will be forgotten in two weeks,lost in the short memory of the typical citizen. The gov't, knowing that it need not be concerned with whistle blowers and assured that it has full control of the media, can step on the throttle, knowing there will be no blowback. Once again the government has outsmarted a gullible, dumbed down public.

You have the wrong end of the stick on all points above. I'm not going to rehash what I have already said in this thread. And I find your view of the American public insulting, demeaning and ignorant, which is treacherous in itself.

Snowden is not the story. The surveillance is the story, the secret courts are the story, the private security contractors are the story. The knowledge is out there and regardless of what happens to Snowden or Manning or Assange or any of them, that will never, ever change. You don't seem to understand, it's too late for it to be put back in the bottle, it can only be managed. More courageous whistleblowers will stand up and do the right thing in years to come, more corruption will be exposed. More and more people are turning to alternative news sources for news. They have broken free of the hold of the MSM and are thinking for themselves. The government has control of nothing and it scares the crap out of them.

Open your eyes.

reply to post by Archie

Snowden is not the story. The surveillance is the story, the secret courts are the story, the private security contractors are the story. The knowledge is out there and regardless of what happens to Snowden or Manning or Assange or any of them, that will never, ever change. You don't seem to understand, it's too late for it to be put back in the bottle, it can only be managed. More courageous whistleblowers will stand up and do the right thing in years to come, more corruption will be exposed. More and more people are turning to alternative news sources for news. They have broken free of the hold of the MSM and are thinking for themselves. The government has control of nothing and it scares the crap out of them. Open your eyes.

Damn brotha Star for you. Your putting in work on this thread lol. Hopefully you influence some people.
Good work.

has anyone else noticed his last name?

Snow = White

Den = House

I mean, it is pretty amusing at least.

This is what the people think of the MSM. This is the Twitter response to the smears against Glenn Greenwald in the US papers today. This is now a world wide trend #ggscandals.




And there are literally THOUSANDS more and it's not letting up.


And here it is on the list of world wide Twitter trends:

Originally posted by Aazadan

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Why do I always say "IF Snowden even exists"?

Is it because I think I am clever and want to make sure the NSA spies know that I know?
Maybe....

Is it because I actually don't know and do not trust the media and so therefore remain open to the possibility this is all a huge hoax to propel a desire for world govt or to collapse the USA?
Yes certainly.

Snowden exists and his information is real. I can prove it to you right now.
William Binney
Thomas Drake
J. Kirk Wiebe
Russel Tice

Look them up and interviews with them, they all say the exact same things Snowden has said. Some of them were prosecuted under the espionage act and did time in jail. Infact, they say even more than Snowden has said. Russel Tice for example has said he personally investigated members of government for dirt on them. I think it was William Binney (it all runs together) who detailed the shell game they play to remove all congressional oversight by making the program both defense and intelligence and shifting things around to prevent oversight committees from seeing anything.

Everything Snowden said is real, and has happened before. Snowdens contribution to all this is that he leaked actual documents that confirm lots of what previous whistleblowers have said rather than just throwing out allegations.

Thank you for the keywords/names. That is a huge help, I wonder why that information isn't posted all over the place?

I really appreciate that. I am going to go look it up and investigate because I am really curious.
That's all I needed were some doorways to look into.

Originally posted by Archie
This is what the people think of the MSM. This is the Twitter response to the smears against Glenn Greenwald in the US papers today. This is now a world wide trend #ggscandals.

And there are literally THOUSANDS more and it's not letting up.


And here it is on the list of world wide Twitter trends:

Bro that made my day. To be honest I started to fear that people would start to buy into the smear campaign against Glenn Greenwald. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Happy to see not everyone is gullible.

reply to post by StrangeTimez


There are thousands out there, you just have to know where to look.

At this point in history, Americans probably face more of a threat from their own rogue U.S. federal government and its psychopathic Zionist handlers, than they do from any other political or ideological entity in the world today.

If this rogue government can't be neutralized, absolute tyranny will become the order of the day, for America.

F.T.G.

Good thread, S&F without a doubt!
Theatre is king, when the most watched TV shows push all the mental
challenge of a cold bowl of macaroni.

Just a case in Point-- Enron. A couple of middle level managers get
some minimal time at the Club Fed, keep the money after hundreds of
thousands of investors/stockholders, maybe millions are ruined...
and Ken Ley gets a big one.
You know, nobody on the tube ever told me they saw him in the box.
And he seemed to have a lot of friends.

"There that's all settled, Amerika. Back to your regularly scheduled
mind control -- 'Gruel to the Death' ".

"Freemasonry for 800, Alex." ding-ding-ding-ding-DING.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Thank you for the keywords/names. That is a huge help, I wonder why that information isn't posted all over the place?

It is! Here's some more.

Barrett Brown article

I linked to Project PM's website, the site where journalists and editors were sifting through a trove of documents incriminating security contractors and the US government - Barrett Brown kicked it off in 2011 and Glenn Greenwald and Michael Hastings amongst others worked on it - but as of today, the page is down Hopefully, they are just updating their database


Watch this video, it's a very important address to the Chaos Computer Club, a hacker org, by Jacob Applebaum, member of Wikileaks, developer of Tor and Information Freedom activist. It explains a lot. It's a bit techie at times but generally it's accessible enough for everyone and has is a great motivator.

Jeremy Hammond

Aaron Swartz (RIP)

That should give you enough to go on with.

reply to post by covertpanther


I would agree, however as for testing the nation and how they would respond

the test is flawed, they are testing something that although is in breach of rights and making people rage a little..

a true test would be to limit internet and limit TV, when this happens then all the lazy people out there will pick up rolling pins and pitchforks and march the streets.

unfortunately every one is ticking the box - its bad but I can still go about my daily life.

I think this is the start of something as you suggest, but if you wanted a revolution you would have to completely deny one of the luxuries than the 99% cannot do without

and there are some who really do not care if they are listening to my skype conversations because they are boring... and maybe some with their tin foil hats thinking 'they' are out to get them

frankly Snowden is to take peoples attention away from Manning, a sweeping gathering of information

support the white hats

reply to post by covertpanther


March 6th 2013 is hardly a decade ago........ Sad....

In my time here, several accounts, this one not being near the longest. You sound more like a government shill than you'd probably like to hear. You've made all the right points to rouse the typical conspiracy types. You've subtly insulted every genre there of, forcing others to either join in because you sound like the type of guy who frowns on the lesser conspircay minded or you have insulted us into believing the bull# you spew.

Snowden is in my eyes a true whistle blower. The fact no body has woke the # up and acted on a real snippet of truth is #ing disgusting. NO BODY IS GOING TO BLOW THE LIDS OFF ALIENS !!! OR DISMANTLED NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN BABY FOOD!!! No folks, real truths are going to be shocking if you are paying attention to your life. There have been so many opportunities to really stand up and do something if you can get off your fat 300lb fat asses and do it, but no you go.. " oh yup, he's a traitor" or like our lovely op. you complain " it's a conspiracy set apart by the illuminati, or NWO", or like a poster down the road from here " Hijinx is a government shill... I bet he's paid like a billion dollars, that's why he wastes his damn time drinking cheap ass beer and posting on ATS." #,

You call yourselves Americans.... Patriots... Grow some stones you cowards, this right here is a reason to go after the #s who rule over you like callous, pompous asses. They spit on your freedoms and wipe their asses with your constitution. You're groped, fondled, questioned, spied on, alienated, and dehuminised at every turn. When is it enough. stand up and say no. Every one of you on this damn site has done nothing to help yourselves. Not one of you # has done a damn thing. Deny ignorance, stand up for your rights, as an american and as a human being.

For god #ing sakes do anything.

reply to post by Hijinx


Can only star your comment once unfortunately..

To everyone who doubts the sincerity of Snowden's heroic deed, may I suggest you check out the links ( like the Barrett Brown article) posted above by Archie!!

The pieces of the puzzle are staring you right in the face! To deny them... now that would be ignorant.

reply to post by Archie

The Snowden incident has shown us that we all have the power to expose corruption in power and it's up to us to do it.

Those who didn't already know they were under surveillance by a myriad of private companies, government agencies and quasi-government organizations were living under a rock. Its been going on for decades, even long before the personal computer and the complete lack of concern about private matters made it so easy for them to do.

IF and WHEN the whistleblowers can present documentation showing that legislators, judges and others who wield power in this country have been co-opted into changing their votes or positions on particular issues due to spies gaining damaging personal information on them, THEN, and only then, will we have a true whistleblower. Until they can show WHO has been co-opted and by WHOM its all hot air.

reply to post by Hijinx


A government shill? LOL! Your a moron guy, you judge people without engaging in a thorough conversation with them?
Im Canadian, not American. I'm leaving for Scandanavia in two weeks, then travelling Europe for the summer.. I spend my time here because its PAST time. Past time I have used within the past decade - this isnt my first account genious And Ats isnt the only place for one to scope and search into conspiracies.. Big miss there buddy.

Your entire post is saying what I said in the OP - just more rude and "in your face" attitude - the difference is you support the drama show and didnt get my message clearly..

Instead of trying to talk tdown to people - jsut state your opinion on the matters at hand, and leave the rest in your head