The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Good's testimony so far ....
He saw the fight. He saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. He heard Zimmerman say 'help' 'help'.

"HEARD Zimmerman"... he doesn't say "saw George yell help" - how does he know what George sounds like when he is yelling for help?

Good said that he can't be 100% sure but that he surmised it was the person on the bottom (Zimmerman) said 'help' 'help' because if it were the person on top (Martin) then the yell would have been projecting in his direction and would have been louder, perhaps bouncing off the buildings.

Are you basing this on the testimony you have heard today? Has he elaborated any more on exactly what position they were in when he looked outside and saw them on the ground near the path? Does he describe their orientation in relation to his position clearly? How would a yell from Martin project in his direction? Wasn't he looking down at the person he was supposedly attacking?

The witness has stated clearly, under oath, that the person on top straddled the person on the ground, and had the legs of the person on the ground pinned under their own. We already know that Martin was the person on top. This straddle position was near the sidewalk, and included "downward arm motions", that could have been strikes. The night of the incident, this witness stated the person on top was doing a "ground & pound" to the person on the ground. Meaning, the person was pounding on the person on the bottom, who was pinned.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Good's testimony so far ....

He saw the fight. He saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. He heard Zimmerman say 'help' 'help'.

"HEARD Zimmerman"... he doesn't say "saw George yell help" - how does he know what George sounds like when he is yelling for help?

wow, why would the guy beating the guy on the bottom be yelling for help?

Erm.. because he wasn't actually beating him, he was being held onto by the creepy-ass cracker.

out of all the testimony, good seems to be the most coherent.
and so far he has backed up everything zimmerman has said.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Are you basing this on the testimony you have heard today? Has he elaborated any more on exactly what position they were in when he looked outside and saw them on the ground near the path? Does he describe their orientation in relation to his position clearly? How would a yell from Martin project in his direction? Wasn't he looking down at the person he was supposedly attacking?

www.wftv.com...
I'm watching live and I have the ATS window to this thread open at the same time.

Good says .... Martin was on top. Zimmerman was on the bottom. He said 'rational thinking' (he just said those words) says that Zimmerman on the bottom said 'help 'help' because the person on top wouldn't say it AND because if the person on top had said it, it would have been louder.

Body positions ... both were on the ground. Martin was straddling Zimmerman. Martins left shoulder was toward Good. Zimmermans back was flat on the ground and his right side was towards Good.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
The witness has stated clearly, under oath, that the person on top straddled the person on the ground, and had the legs of the person on the ground pinned under their own. We already know that Martin was the person on top. This straddle position was near the sidewalk, and included "downward arm motions", that could have been strikes. The night of the incident, this witness stated the person on top was doing a "ground & pound" to the person on the ground. Meaning, the person was pounding on the person on the bottom, who was pinned.

So, Martin was straddling Z's legs, not his waist? Okay, I know he was tall, but his arms weren't that long that he could be sat on George's legs and still be able to effectivel land blows on George, or control him properly. For that, he'd have to be sat far higher up George's body. Let me catch up on his testimony and we'll discuss this further.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Erm.. because he wasn't actually beating him, he was being held onto by the creepy-ass cracker.

So Martin .. on top .. was being held onto by Zimmerman and restrained by Zimmerman ... who was on the bottom and was being sat on and straddled? That's not making sense ....

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Dude .. Martin straddled Zimmerman and pounded him ...
the sworn witness testimony which matches the forensics just said so.

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Controlling someone's legs is far more effective than simply sitting on their waist. Once again you continue to ad your own theories of how it all went down.

Not looking too good for the prosecution....(or for the communities where the riots will happen)

GOOD ... sworn testimony .... 'no gun was visible in anyone's hands'. So Zimmerman did not have his gun pulled when Martin jumped him. The gun got pulled after Martin was on top of Zimmerman hitting him.

Side note .. Good is being really snotty to the defense attorney ...

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

So, Martin was straddling Z's legs, not his waist? Okay, I know he was tall, but his arms weren't that long that he could be sat on George's legs and still be able to effectivel land blows on George, or control him properly. For that, he'd have to be sat far higher up George's body. Let me catch up on his testimony and we'll discuss this further.

man your just grasping now.
out of all the testimony, good just shot down the prosecution and made the case for the defense.
when he said these two things.
dark clothing on top, white or red on bottom, and the yelling sounded as if coming from the bottom.

now we know that martin had a dark hoodie on, and zimmerman had a red jacket on.
then saying that the yells for help sounded like they came from bottom, just as zimmerman claims.

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Im watching it now. Has the state already questioned him? He seems to be doing a lot of the assuming that I've been criticised of. Has he been asked what George Zimmerman's arms were doing during all this activity he was seeing?

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Who was on top during a 10 second window of a minute long event, is no indicator of who was the initial aggressor.

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State has questioned him. They could go back and re-question after the defense is done.
This fella is actually a witness for the defense .. but he's being hostile to the defense.
The state in the first set of questions failed to discredit him.
This is a rock solid witness. The ONLY witness to the fight.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Who was on top during a 10 second window of a minute long event, is no indicator of who was the initial aggressor.

The law doesn't care that Zimmermans actions instigated the situation.
It only cares about who assaulted who.

Martin jumped Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn't have a gun in his hands. Martin pounded Zimmerman. Zimmerman cried for help. When he started to get his head bashed in by Martin who was on top, that's when he pulled his gun and fired one shot. .... according to this witness Good.

MY OPINION ... Defense should move on. They've gotten enough from this fella and if they keep him up there he's going to get more hostile to their case. Also ... the prosecution isn't happy looking.

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I don't think he is being hostile towards the defense. He just seems annoyed that this BS is going on and he is wasting his time, when he could be at work making money.

good even drew a picture for the cops .
showing it now .

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Who was on top during a 10 second window of a minute long event, is no indicator of who was the initial aggressor.

The law doesn't care that Zimmermans actions instigated the situation.
It only cares about who assaulted who.

So, if George grabbed hold of Trayvon's clothing, he has no right to resist? Has Good described any kind of incident that made him feel the person on the bottom was in danger of serious injury? He certainly can't have believed it was that life-threatening if his only instinct was to ask what is going on and then decide to phone the police.