Would Christians Be As Violent As Muslims If Their Religion Was Threatened?

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

Can you cite your numbers please?

yup here we go fella

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Fromabove

 

It is crumbling at least in the uk see my links in my other post.

Plus the actual number is lower than the census in 2011 because people just tick the box Christian when they are not.

humanism.org.uk...

You do realize that the UK itself is crumbling, I mean with Scotland now pondering leaving you. In any case, the UK is going to be an islamic state in 20 years. You will be forced to convert or die. But, be that as it may, there will always be Christians, just not so many in the UK.

Also, I would just like to state that I don't mean disrespect when I call you Christians "Christers". Its just that you guys simply follow the "latest and greatest" Christ ressurection meme.

Old story. Jesus wasn't your guy and both the Jews and Muslims know it.

Hell, those belief systems are indigenous to the area you guys got your myths! EVERYONE over there over in Bible land is either a Jew or a Muslim and they ALL reject your "christ".

The only people that believe that crap live half a world away.

reply to post by boymonkey74


I personally would disagree with those numbers. But thanks.

I would remove Catholicism from the ranks of Christianity. They are completely opposing ideals.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by Malcher

 

I said it was more likely in comparison. I didn't say it was common. Although I have seen it in my own life, and the lives of others. Persecution doesn't have to be violent either. There are many ways to persecute someone.

True. Try getting elected to even Dogcatcher in the US if you're a public Atheist. Impossible. Most American equate Atheism with Satanism.

If more people blamed satanism/luciferianism for the world's evil rather than christians/muslims/jews I think the world would be a better place. But people keep thinking it is for wild children in caves who do drugs and have sex.

Scapegoating is easy. Putting blame where it should be is hard!

Satanists? Luciferians? These are the folks mucking up everything?

Any names you can offer?

Why do you need names? You judge a tree by its fruit. If the fruit is rotten(like all major religions are) then there is something wrong with the tree(that being mainstream religion). They all pretend to praise god via different messiahs or prophets and the end journey supposedly is the same.

But in practice they are fighting each other while perverting his message.

Atheism isn't the solution either. Clearly many strange things happen on this planet and people have souls.

reply to post by Fromabove


Best you can come up with? lol

Ok Muslims are 4.8% of our populace...hardly enough to make us become a Muslim nation and only 40% of them want Sharia law so that is about 2.1%.

The Scots will not leave, It is more to do with more local power and polls suggest only 26% of Scots want out....In fact it is funny the English would vote for scotland leaving the UK with 29%.

Uk crumbling? the world is in economic meltdown at the moment so the same could be said for any country.

So answer why Christian numbers are shrinking instead of deflecting my facts.

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would remove Catholicism from the ranks of Christianity. They are completely opposing ideals.

How so?

For 1,500 years, Catholicism WAS Christianity. What did they do in the past 500 years to disqualify them, by your standards (which are, obviously, better than God's standards,) from the ranks of Christianity?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Jesus told us the answer.
The Kingdom of Heaven lies within YOU.

You are right. All religion is wrong. Simply put. God is real, but God is LITERALLY US.

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by NorEaster
Maybe you folks that frequent this forum can help settle an argument I'm having with a friend of mine. She says that if Atheists acquired information that could literally transform the way that people who live in the modern world perceive religion - and Christianity in particular - and began to succeed in peeling off impressive numbers of theists from (specifically) Christianity

I say that there would be an overtly aggressive reaction, and that these Atheists would be in grave danger.

What do you folks think would be the reaction.

So, Fromabove, what would happen to you if you had simply ignored the thread's premise and let it stand without your publicly stated dismissal? Would it have been a sin of omission? I'm curious.

How could I, being a Christian just simply allow such a post to go unanswered. The post presupposes that not only is Christianity crumbling, which would be an incorrect statement in and of itself, but also that Christians are somehow violent, which again would be an incorrect statement.

None of that was presupposed. It was part of the premise of a question. It wasn't declared to be true. I was asking for opinions about the potential for violence from any Christians, given the premise.

This would only be true in your mind and or maybe in the mind of the atheist who would like nothing better than to be rid of Christianity once and for all. They tend to concentrate all of their efforts on this one religion in particular to pursue some secret god fantasy they have that they can somehow defeat or demise God. And even if you're not an atheist, your reasoning is way off as is your argument which is rather illogical.

Human reactions are never logical, and the question pertains to human reactions. My reasoning? What reasoning? I'm asking if other folks think that religionists - aggressive, devout religionists (like the kind of religionists who blockade abortion clinic and harass people they believe to be destroying the very fabric of American society with their godlessness) - might be capable of turning that righteous devotion to their god onto an Atheist group that's causing others to stumble. What's so unreasonable about a question like that? Hell, the news is littered with hyper-aggressive Evangelicals screaming at, throwing public fits over, roundly condemning, and otherwise demonizing those they see as opponents all the time. Nothing even newsworthy about that sort of behavior anymore.

The people of the Jesus God are not the violent ones, the Islams are. Let me pose a question to everyone....

Would Islamists become violent if atheists said even half of the insulting things they say to Christians at them ? If atheists and Christian haters and bashers suddenly started bashing Islam and their prophet and the Quran, would they turn to violence and go after them ?

You can start your own thread with that premise if you'd like. This one is about rabid Xtians.

reply to post by adjensen


Your numbers are WAY wrong.
Catholicism has only EXISTED for 1,500 years! Are we to believe that the protestant movement only began 13 years ago?

Aside from that, it took the Catholics 500 years to come UP with Catholicism.

They used books written by men who lived long before them and created a monstrosity that completely bastardized their own scripture!
This is blatantly obvious but it didn't matter back then because it was a CRIME to even read the damn books if you weren't clergy!

How is it different? Geeze! Where to begin? They pray to Mary. They pray to idols. Things expressively forbidden in the very books they trumpet.

Silliest organization on the planet. And ironically, the most powerful. It speaks volumes to peoes' intelligence.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Jesus told us the answer.
The Kingdom of Heaven lies within YOU.

You are right. All religion is wrong. Simply put. God is real, but God is LITERALLY US.

Yes. I usually get offended by the mainstream christians, who favor zionism unconditionally(like most republicans do), because they attach capitalism to the equation and anyone who doesn't work enough hours at mcdonalds to get by is a lazy socialist. It burns my ass to no end!

Jesus did not like the money changers that frequented the temples. He went around performing miracles and curing the sick, the jewish rabbis would get offended and consider him a trouble maker, thus complaining to the roman government that he should be executed. Jewish folks were greedy capitalists all the way back to judea. I still have some respect for the old testament and secular jews who wish to live in israel/palestine in peace.

What I see is jews and christians teaming up against atheists and muslims. This could spark WW3!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Yes. I usually get offended by the mainstream christians, who favor zionism unconditionally(like most republicans do), because they attach capitalism to the equation and anyone who doesn't work enough hours at mcdonalds to get by is a lazy socialist. It burns my ass to no end!

Amen brother. I'm with you on that one.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your numbers are WAY wrong.
Catholicism has only EXISTED for 1,500 years! Are we to believe that the protestant movement only began 13 years ago?

No, catholic means "universal", and it's the orthodox Christian belief since the time of Christ. The Roman Catholic Church, like it or not, is the successor of the church that points back to Peter (or, at least, the generation after him.)

This is blatantly obvious but it didn't matter back then because it was a CRIME to even read the damn books if you weren't clergy!

That is not true.

How is it different? Geeze! Where to begin? They pray to Mary. They pray to idols. Things expressively forbidden in the very books they trumpet.

You've obviously bought, hook, line and sinker, the typical anti-Catholic gibberish. How do Catholics pray to idols? Show me scripture that says it's wrong to pray intercessory prayers? (Acceptable in both Catholic and some Protestant churches.)

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by JayinAR
I would remove Catholicism from the ranks of Christianity. They are completely opposing ideals.

How so?

For 1,500 years, Catholicism WAS Christianity. What did they do in the past 500 years to disqualify them, by your standards (which are, obviously, better than God's standards,) from the ranks of Christianity?

Catholicism? The religion that tolerates gay priests, that prohibits abortion, prohibits divorce, tolerates child molestation? That catholicism? Or the one where A SINGLE PERSON rules above every catholic nation; this is unique as far as I know in christianity, heck maybe all religions.

And many controversial texts where taken away, either destroyed or hidden somewhere, during the council of nicea by emperor constantine of the byzantium. And it was the romans that fed christians to the lions in case you forgot.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Man, there was a great thread on here a while back about a Muslim guy talking economics. It is rare that I will actually watch an hour long video on one of these threads, but I watched it and it was fantastic.

He explained that what Jesus was opposed to was the idea of people doing currency exchange in the temple. Since the temple would not accept a Roman Stamped coin as any sort of payment, the scum bags were basically creating a "kosher" coin that they would exchange for Roman money to be used in the temple. At a fee, of course.

And this is what Jesus was pissed about. Makes sense. And I find the entire practice barbaric. Are you telling me I have to PAY YOU to burn my livestock at your altar? Good grief.

And people still follow these ridiculous notions. It is insane.

Would Christians Be As Violent As Muslims If Their Religion Was Threatened?

Why do you compare the "Religion of peace" to the "Prince of Peace"?

A counterfeit is easily spotted next to the genuine.

God and Religion are OPPOSITES.

This is why religion breeds violence, Satan is behind it.

Jesus conquered millions more people than Alexander the Great, Caesar and Mohammed put together.

He did it WITHOUT Jihad, weapons and hate.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
And many controversial texts where taken away, either destroyed or hidden somewhere, during the council of nicea by emperor constantine of the byzantium. And it was the romans that fed christians to the lions in case you forgot.

I wish that I had a dollar for everyone who thinks that Constantine had something to do with the selection of the books of the Bible. Dan "Da Vinci Code" Brown duped a whole generation of people with that nonsense.

We have records of what Constantine and the Council of Nicaea discussed, and the content of the Bible wasn't it, sorry. You were lied to.

Here you go: The Arian Controversy

Wake up. You've been lied to.

reply to post by JayinAR


Actually Muslims believe that Christ was a prophet. They believe that man messed up the message and then sent another prophet to rectify it. Just as they believe that God sent Christ because the Jews got the message messed up. The Muslims view the Abrahamic faiths as one big game of telephone. That's not really the same thing as the kind of dismissal your post implied.

reply to post by adjensen


Oh, so because the Catholics took a name that means "universal", they just always have been or something?

Sorry, I sorta tuned out the rest.
And no, I am not wrong. Only clergy were allowed to read the bible they bastardized.

The only possible point you have is based on semantics.
In my view when you take up an idol's name over and over in prayer, you are worshipping said idol.


Again, as I addressed above, silly Christers and their books with thousands of different interpretations that they base their entire world view on..
Silly

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by adjensen

 

Oh, so because the Catholics took a name that means "universal", they just always have been or something?

Have you ever studied history? The history of the church?

Apparently not. The Reformation was based on the reform of something, you know? That something was the Roman Catholic church, which can be traced back to the Apostles, whether you agree with them or not.

If you disagree, then your claim is that Martin Luther (or Zwingli, either way) just randomly created a religion out of nothing. Is that what you're claiming?