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Yep, that price is subsidised by the taxes from workers in England. What's your point regarding this?
Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by grainofsand
Don't believe the hype - free prescription and so-called free education comes at a price.
That the best you can contribute? Can I also take from your reply that you agree English taxpayers do in fact subsidise improved services in Scotland, Wales and NI? Lovely to know we see the same disparity, it is something you are of course unable to deny.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
Why don't you vote for a party which pledges to spend more in England then, duh.
Urm, free prescriptions and university tuition is different to offering travel assistance to people who need medical services or appointments at a job centre...try again, that clearly fails as an argument.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
Of course there's a per capita disparity. That's in no small measure because Scotland has one third of the land mass of Britain with one twelfth the population. So unless you're content with people travelling 50 miles to visit a doctor or 100 miles to sign on what on earth do you expect ?
I refer the honorable gentleman to the link showing a population density map where edited in my previous reply.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
No it doesn't fail, it's actually a good analogy. Because it's obviously going to cost more per capita to build job centres, post offices, doctors surgeries in less populous areas than more populous ones. The only way you could reduce the spend per capita is to reduce provision, by spacing out that infrastructure further and further. But that would mean a longer journey to get to the doctors surgery, the hospital, the school ... Most people would regard that as unfair.
Why should English taxes fund preferential services such as free prescriptions, university tuition, and Educational Maintenance Allowance for non-English citizens? Touche.
Why should Scotland get 2nd rate services ? They pay the same income taxes and national insurance as everyone else in UK.
No worries.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
I am sorry but I cannot read your map, I'm on my mobile phone right now.
You brought population density into the discussion to justify English taxes subsidising unrelated Scottish services such as free prescriptions and university tuition fees. I simply responded.
I do wish, however, that you'd quit moving the goalposts.
I do not see the demolished argument you appear to.
One minute you're talking about how harsh treated England is and when we demolish that argument with simple population density
Obviously in response to the population issue you introduced to the debate.
you shift onto how awful things are in the less populous regions of England too
Yet you support the fact that sparcely populated regions of England (such as my own) subsidise sparcely populated areas of Scotland.
... And I actually agree with you, places like Cornwall, Cumbria face the same problems as many parts of Scotland. There's nothing I can do about that.
And you clearly do not care, but then that would be no surprise as you enjoy the benefits of English taxpayers money while you live in Scotland.
And if a Tory government can't sort that for you then, well, I don't know what will. Apart from a Labor government, of course, your call. Either way I think you're stuffed.
I am unable to see where we do.
So, We kind of agree.
I do not believe in any gods but I support your right to do so.
Next.
Btw you'd have to be an incurable optimist to expect that the simple repetition of "you clearly fail" in my direction somehow makes you right and me wrong. But hey, God loves a tryer.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
Yeah. And how about motorways. Or even dual carriageways. Or even singlecarriageways (ever tried "passing places"?). What world renowned childrens hospitals, cancer care units, what about even an A&E unit within 50 miles of where you live, what about electrification of the railway lines, or even having railway lines or a ferry on a sunday, what about headquartering major government departments, how about steelworks, mines, shipyards, how about tax breaks for corporations down south which produce one jot of return for anyone in Scotland. The list is absolutely endless. Don't dare compare your tawdry tuppence ha'penny ittle EMA awards with that
Nah, you just failed to produce a convincing argument against England having it's own parliament (like Scotland) and English taxes being spent solely in England.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by grainofsand
Tbh I think you're just baiting now. So I'm out.
Same for me, how is that relevant to the OP?
For the record I pay UK income taxes, national insurance
Again irrelevant. The discussion is about English tax distribution.
plus French statutory payroll, upfront voluntary income tax deductions plus punitive property tax for an empty house in France.
Again, irrelevant, I have similar outgoings.
Plus Edinburgh council tax, UK road tax (£270 to be paid by this thursday when it runs out, bargain, not), parking permits, airplane taxes blah de blah.
If you live in Scotland then you enjoy services subsidised by English taxes. You may remain in denial but are more than welcome to explain where you think my statement is incorrect. Treasury figures back me up though so good luck
So don't lecture me on state dependency when so many Brits don't even attempt to get out of bed until mister postman drops le girocheque on the mat. Neither I or my family are dependant on either French or English government largesse.
Originally posted by christina-66
In an earlier post I stated that although we get free prescription et al - the Scottish Government has to rob Peter to pay Paul. Something has to give - and at the moment our roads are in one hell of a state.
Total public spending per head in Scotland last year was £10,212, compared to £8,588 in England, figures in the Treasury's annual Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses show. The gap widened by 15.2 per cent in a year - from £1,409 to £1,624. In the South East of England, which is responsible for a large share of tax revenues, public spending was just £7,533 per head. Although poorer than Scotland, Wales received £9,829 per person.