Originally posted by Hanslune
Sorry wrong again Sitchin isn't a source or a reference he's a negative influence in any scientific discussion, he couldn't read Akkadian nor Sumerian - he just made stuff up.
"...many Neanderthal fossils have been tampered with to support the theory of evolution.
One of the many fraudulent things that people have done to the Neanderthal skulls is to reconstruct the lower jaw in a forward protruding position.
This is based on the preconceived notion, that Neanderthal was dimwitted, and ape-ish. The jaw is purposely manipulated to look this way in reconstruction’s, because that is how some ape jaws are aligned.
Of the thousands of people who have seen Neanderthal skulls in a museum, I wonder how many of them knew the jaw had been altered?
Neanderthal fraud discovered
Originally posted by pacifier2012
Yet they no longer exist.
Does not that explain all we need to know about them?
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by Hanslune
NOT the thread subject.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
I ALSO don't believe a single word coming from the Illuminati religion that most call "Science".
It is nothing but lies, deception, and disinformation.
Mainstream Science has no more credibility than anything else you see on TV.
Robert M. Schoch is an associate professor of Natural Science at the College of General Studies, a two-year non-degree granting unit of Boston University. He received his Ph.D. in geology and geophysics from Yale in 1983. He is best known for his argument that the Great Sphinx of Giza is much older than conventionally thought and that possibly some kind of catastrophe was responsible for wiping out evidence of a significantly older civilization. In 1991, Schoch redated the famous monument to 7000–5000 BC, based on his argument that its erosion was due mainly to the effects of water, rather than wind and sand, and also based on findings from seismic studies around the base of the Sphinx and elsewhere on the plateau.
Schoch's other theories include the belief that possibly all pyramids — in Egypt, Mesoamerica and elsewhere — represent (in the sense that the general concept of pyramids is inherited, along with many other cultural commonalities) a much older global culture, or at least that there was cultural contact around the world in ancient times.
Many people know me best for my work on the Great Sphinx of Giza, Egypt. The Great Sphinx sits near the Great Pyramid on the western bank of the Nile, outside of modern Cairo. According to standard Egyptological thinking, the Great Sphinx was carved from the limestone bedrock on the orders of the Old Kingdom Pharaoh Khafre around 2500 B.C.
In 1990 I first traveled to Egypt, with the sole purpose of examining the Great Sphinx from a geological perspective. I assumed that the Egyptologists were correct in their dating, but soon I discovered that the geological evidence was not compatible with what the Egyptologists were saying. On the body of the Sphinx, and on the walls of the Sphinx Enclosure (the pit or hollow remaining after the Sphinx’s body was carved from the bedrock), I found heavy erosional features (seen in the accompanying photographs) that I concluded could only have been caused by rainfall and water runoff. The thing is, the Sphinx sits on the edge of the Sahara Desert and the region has been quite arid for the last 5000 years.
Furthermore, various structures securely dated to the Old Kingdom show only erosion that was caused by wind and sand (very distinct from the water erosion). To make a long story short, I came to the conclusion that the oldest portions of the Great Sphinx, what I refer to as the core-body, must date back to an earlier period (at least 5000 B.C., and maybe as early as 7000 or 9000 B.C.), a time when the climate was very different and included more rain.
Many people have said to me that the Great Sphinx cannot be so old, in part because the head is clearly a dynastic Egyptian head and the dynastic period did not start until about 3000 B.C. In fact, if you look at the current Great Sphinx you may notice that the head is actually too small for the body. It is clear to me that the current head is not the original head. The original head would have become severely weathered and eroded. It was later re-carved, during dynastic times, and in the re-carving it naturally became smaller. Thus, the head of the Great Sphinx is not the original head. In fact, the Sphinx may not have originally been a sphinx at all. Perhaps it was a male lion.
The Pyramids of the Sun and Moon (Teotihuacán)
Height: 65m/215ft (sun) 42m/138ft (moon)
The gods: Tlaloc and Chalchihuitlicue (or the Sun and the Moon)
Distinctives: The pyramid of the sun is the 3rd largest in the world
Covering: At their peak, it's believed the pyramids were plastered and painted bright red
Teotihuacán was not originally built by the Aztecs. In fact, it's height of power had been almost 1000 years earlier, and may have been built another 1000 years or more before that. The Mexicas were in awe of the ancient people and their city, although they knew very little about it. They believed this to be the birthplace of the most recent creation, where the new sun had been born.[color=yello[remember their creation mythology, the Gods sacrificed themselves to make the new sun
The pyramid to the sun was built on a lava tube cave (a shrine here may be the original reason for the settlement). Chalchihuitlicue was the goddess of lakes and streams, and Tlaloc was the god of fertility and rain. Though built as temples, a burial site has been found as a part of one.
Though not built by the Aztecs, it was considered a sacred site. The Aztecs used ideas from the architecture here, and used objects from the city in their rituals.
Other Aztec Temples
There are numerous Aztec temples, both in these cities and others. The Great Pyramid of Cholula is the largest pyramid by volume in the world, and the largest monument ever constructed. Inside 8km/5mi of tunnels have been dug to investigate its secrets. The Cholula temple has its own page.
Another temple featured on this site is the great pyramid (temple) of Teopanzolco.
The ruins at Teotenango also contain temples. Temples were built in each region of a city, and there were also mountain temples - often carved right out of the side of the mountain. It is believed that as late as the 19th century a child was sacrificed at one of these Aztec temples.
Of course, many of the so-called Aztec temples were temples that existed before the Aztec empire did. Many peoples and cities were conquered and forced to pay tribute, becoming a part of the empire. One city like this was Xochicalco - a pyramid at the top of this page is from Xochicalco.
Archaeology: City Of The Gods
By Michael D. Lemonick Monday, Dec. 21, 1998
For archaeologists and tourists alike, the monumental ruins of Mesoamerica are humbling testimony to the complex civilizations that once flourished there. Even the names of these peoples evoke power and mystery: Aztecs, Maya, Zapotecs, Toltecs, Olmecs. But of all the great pre-Columbian metropolises that dot the region, arguably the most magnificent of all belonged to a people who remain nameless. The Aztecs, who took over the area some 25 miles north of modern Mexico City in the 15th century, were convinced it was built by supernatural beings. Their name for the city, which we still use: Teotihuacan,
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
At this point in time (though the site is less than 10% excavated) Gobekli-Tepe is 12,000 years old...which still makes it the oldest megalithic structures we have discovered to this point. Not to say as they unearth more the timeline will be pushed back...but there is nothing at this point reaching back 20 to 30 thousand years....that is false info.
Geologists studying how the Mediterranean Sea formed now propose that the large body of water that separates Europe from Africa must have been created when waters from the Atlantic Ocean breached the strait of Gibraltar. They hypothesize that a large basin lay just below the strait's barrier, and that it was well below the sea level. This allowed incoming water to take up “residence” in the area, some 5.6 million years ago, LiveScience reports.
At first, the sea was formed around 5.6 million years ago, due to a large-scale flood, but the waters were separated from the Atlantic Ocean by the Strait of Gibraltar, so, in the hundreds of thousands of years that followed, the water spreads dried out almost completely. But the sea was saved due to tectonic activity. The plate on which the Gibraltar Strait lay started subsiding, allowing the waters of the Atlantic to again breach the barrier and fill the basin back up again. This happened some 5.3 million years ago, the generally agreed-upon age of the modern Mediterranean Sea.
Following the end of the last ice-age the world experienced a period of flood events, which raised the coastline around the world by several metres, flooding all the existing coastal cultures of the time. This natural process has occurred again and again over history, with the sea-level mostly lower than it is today through the long periods of Ice-age.
The contours of these 'Ice-age' coast-lines are easy to determine with contour maps which show what's commonly called the 'continental shelf'. In fact, with computer simulation, it is now becoming possible to estimate the age of underwater discoveries reasonably accurately through their relative depths underwater. While it is accepted that this science is still in its infancy, the implications of certain underwater discoveries are forcing historians to reconsider the recent path of human evolution.
The coast of France - Out in the Mediterranean, in front of Marseille, the passages of an underwater cliff have revealed a series of mine shafts and smelting facilities. (1)
The coast of Georgia - There is another long and wide underwater road in the Atlantic off the coast of Georgia. (1)
Jaques Cousteau tells of having discovered a road along the sea bottom of the Mediterranean
South England - Excavations of an underwater Stone Age archaeological settlement dating back 8,000 years took place at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton between 30 July – 3 August 2007.
(Ref: ScienceDaily, Aug. 14, 2007)
Greece - Archaeologists surveying the world’s oldest submerged town have found ceramics dating back to the Final Neolithic. Their discovery suggests that Pavlopetri, off the southern Laconia coast of Greece, was occupied some 5,000 years ago — at least 1,200 years earlier than originally thought.
The Bimini Road (right) is an underwater formation near North Bimini island in the Bahamas. Discovered in 1968, it is generally assumed to be of natural origins. Some have claimed that the formation is an ancient road, or perhaps a collapsed wall.
In May 2005, a series of unexpected discoveries was made at Bimini by Donato and the Littles. These included the discovery of numerous stone anchors at the main Bimini formation (commonly referred to as the “Bimini Road” or “Bimini Wall”). Several cut artefacts, including two-dozen pieces of grey marble, were recovered from under large blocks at the Bimini site. In addition, numerous uniform, rectangular slabs of stone with sharp, angular edges and smooth sides were photographed under massive blocks.
In several cases, stacks of these slabs were photographed under huge blocks—essentially serving as levelling stones. Numerous multiple tiers of stone were also photographed. A nearby site, called “Proctor’s Road,” yielded at least 8 stone anchors found on the bottom, mortise cuts on stones, and at least five stone circles placed at regular intervals.
Found near the south shore of Okinawa, Japan in 1995, these fantastic underwater structures were at first argued to have been fashioned by nature.
'The sunken buildings are known to cover the ocean bottom (although not continuously) from the small island of Yonaguni in the southwest to Okinawa and its neighbouring islands, Kerama and Aguni, some 311 miles. If, after all, ongoing exploration here does indeed reveal more structures linking Yonaguni with Okinawa, the individual sites may be separate components of a huge city lying at the bottom of the Pacific. The single largest structure so far discovered lies near the eastern shore of Yonaguni at 100 feet down. It is approximately 240 feet long, 90 feet across and 45 feet high'.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Oh my, so if science is nothing but lies, deception and disinformation please explain this magical system we are using to communicate with - did it grow on a mushroom?
lol and have a good chat and troll here in nowheresville
Originally posted by Leonidas
Language is a hugely important skill in communication, coordination and social interaction. Repeated studies have shown that the tongue and mouth of Neanderthal was too large and uncoordinated for speech.
THEY may have been partial to a chunky slab of meat, but very early on Neanderthals also had a taste for fine dining treats like fish and small birds. The findings show that our long-lost cousins were cognitively advanced from the get-go, long before modern humans appeared in Europe.
Discoveries of jewellery and make-up at 50,000-year-old sites show that around the time they went extinct Neanderthals had a taste for the finer things in life. Now that evidence has been pushed back to their first appearance in Europe.
Bruce Hardy of Kenyon College in Gambier, Ohio, and Marie-Hélène Moncel of France's Natural History Museum in Paris analysed residues on stone tools found at Payre in southern France, which was occupied by Neanderthals between 125,000 and 250,000 years ago. They found traces of fish scales, feathers, wood, hide and starch, indicating that their owners were fishing, hunting small birds, processing wood and hides, and eating vegetables (PLoS One, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0023768). That goes against the view, still held by some, that Neanderthals hunted large game but were not capable of subtler tasks like spearing fish and catching birds.
Also, while they had weapons, whether they had projectile weapons is controversial. They had spears, made of long wooden shafts with spearheads firmly attached, but some think these were thrusting spears and not projectiles. Still, a Levallois point embedded in an animal vertebra shows an angle of impact suggesting that it entered by a "parabolic trajectory" suggesting that it was the tip of a projectile.
Moreover, a number of 400,000-year-old wooden projectile spears were found at Schöningen in northern Germany. These are thought to have been made by the Neanderthals’ ancestors, Homo erectus or Homo heidelbergensis. Generally, projectile weapons are more commonly associated with H. sapiens. The lack of projectile weaponry may be an indication of different sustenance methods, rather than inferior technology or abilities. The situation is identical to that of native New Zealand Māori—modern Homo sapiens, who also rarely threw objects, but used spears and clubs instead.
Neandertals Had Highly Capable Hands, Study Says
for National Geographic News
March 26, 2003
A new study suggests Neandertals could touch the tips of their thumb and index finger, and may have been as dexterous as modern humans.
The findings are significant because they could help researchers in their quest to explain why Neandertals died out 28,000 years ago.
The first direct evidence of thrown spears dates back to about 19,000 years ago. That is the age of the first known atlatl, or spear thrower - a device that allows a long, flexible dart to be thrown accurately at a range of 35 meters or more. Stone points that look like they were designed to be used with thrown spears date back to about 35,000 years ago.
But other evidence seemed to support the idea that spear throwing evolved much earlier. Analysis of the arm bones of Neanderthals, who lived between 230,000 and 30,000 years ago, and early humans living at the same time show that both were much stronger in one arm than the other; the difference is as great as that seen in professional tennis players today. That suggests they threw spears, rather than using both arms to thrust them.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
it has been documented almost every where on earth of finding red haired tall skeletal remains....or stories of red haired giants...
What if they are just throwbacks or remnants of other branches of humanities genetic family tree?
Originally posted by MysterX
Today, science has shown conclusively, that most humans alive right now, have between 3% and 5% NEANDERTHAL DNA...so really, neither early humans OR neanderthals survived as they were originally, instead we pulled our genetic resources so we could both survive as a hybridized species of both.
We know that size and relative intelligence can be VASTLY different between primates.....we know it has been so for our supposed linear progression of evolution. What if we just widen the spectrum to include those specimens that time has destroyed or that we have yet to find.