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Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

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posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 10:59 PM
I used to visit often but, after a while, I noticed that they post some very egregious falsities. I haven’t read the report you linked but I am highly dubious
Vaccination is and has been of great benefit to many creatures. Not all, mind you, but killing small pox makes the top of the list.

It may be listed in the link but what would be the point of such an endeavor? Placebo effect?

posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 11:58 PM

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by Vidpci
So these "doctors" say that they should give newborns up to 29 vaccines and they still wonder why autism is on the rise?

Because the bar for what can be considered "autism" has be set lower and lower with each new edition of the DSM.
In the newest version that will be coming out it is even lower and more encompassing.

That's right.

All the better to medicate more kids.

I am so sick of big pharma.

We have a generation of drugged kids hooked on pharmaceuticals.

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 01:10 AM
If Obama was so, FOR THE PEOPLE, why doesn't he call of this B.S. out?

In fact, why does he not expose big pharma and big agra and get them kicked out of the FDA?

Gee..I wonder...
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 01:16 AM
Well, I wonder if some of the commenters here actually READ the provided sources and the sources of evidence that it points to. Dr. Tomljenovic has obviously done very good research on the topic and the results are nothing less than stunning. Our children are regarded numbered lab mice and any safety risk is disregarded over commercial interests. This should be an outrage among governments worldwide, yet the practice continues and most people have no idea what´s going on...
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 05:11 AM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

I have emailed my local newspaper, along with The Sun, Daily Mail, and the Telegraph, lets see if i even warrant a response from any of them!

Here's a question, who out of the people that replied, have actually tried to gain this fact more media attention?
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 09:51 AM

Originally posted by davjan4

We have a generation of drugged kids hooked on pharmaceuticals.


We have a generation of PEOPLE hooked on pharmaceuticals. How many people do you know who are popping prozac, xanax, wellbutrin, and more???

Again, there are no checks and balances in regards to the legitimacy of the DSM and a diagnosis. Any licensed therapist (licensing being a whole other issue...) can "diagnose" you as anything. Once they do, it's on your permanent medical record and will follow you everywhere. You can be denied jobs, insurance, etc.... You can even have another specialist see you and agree that the diagnosis is wrong, but it doesn't change your medical's only an addendum.

And how many people don't question what their doctor or psychiatrist tells them? If doctor says "you're sick, take these meds to get better." Most people do without a second thought, let alone a second opinion.... Next thing you know, 50 years down the line, you find out those drugs cause cancer, birth defects, infertility, etc.....

ETA - the nation as a whole is way over medicated. Yet you have people out there who really are CRAZY and can't get treatment AT ALL.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 12:41 PM
not very secret documents then are they!

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 12:50 PM
Flu picks up steam across the US

They are awfully adamant this year about getting your flu shot.... How many people on here have gotten them?

Just curious....

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 01:03 PM
Since Big Government is now in the fast track business of the development of Big Pharmaceuticals, I have to ask, "where do these drugs and vaccines originate?" The fact that NIH through its NCATS arm is also partnered with DARPA, causes me to be very wary of a lot of things these days when it comes to drugs and "new" medicines.

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by CIAGypsy

Agreed that children are not confiscated, but the NET EFFECT is that it's really difficult to Opt Out of immunizations -- you are forced to home school.

I do think that SOME immunizations do work -- but that's part of the problem. People point to the great success of one or two vaccines and PRESUME that all vaccines are awesome.

It's not all of one or the other. There are a lot of junk vaccines like Flu shots, and maybe some of them work; like the measles.

The skeptics might be right -- but for the wrong reasons. There are a lot of supporters, who think people who don't vaccinate put everyone else in danger -- and for SOME diseases, they might be right.

Yet I look at the issue with immunity, and wonder how a vaccine is any different from swapping spit. You introduce a weakened source of a genetic signature for an invader. If the invader doesn't change too much, you MIGHT have an immunity. Immunizations add a lot of junk to stimulate an immune response so not all vaccines are similar because of the JUNK.

And the huge issue I have with vaccines is giving the to babies under a year old. You give them an adjutant to create an immune response at the same time they might be having peas for the first time -- how does the body know the difference between a virus or mashed peas? I have to wonder out loud if a lot of autism and allergies isn't because of our confused immune reactions - and without a really, really comprehensive study it would be hard to prove a link because everything has to do with genetics, timing and a million random factors. You'd see a statistical shift.

I've read some comments about hollow earth or chem trails and I wonder at the rationality of some people -- but then you've got people on the other side who are very smug with their little bit of medical background and think they've got it all figured out.

Add all this to the growing corruption of business interests that put profits before people -- and can anyone wonder at the paranoia? If a study came out that showed Vaccines were bad for people -- there would be a good deal of lobbying and money to suppress that. Most investigations are funded by the same groups that have a lot to lose or gain based on the outcome, and that is NOT conducive to honest results.

Maybe Vaccines don't cause autism or allergies -- but I don't think that we'd ever know one way or the other with our very corrupt system.

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:25 PM
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds

As you read this work, and put its principles into practice, there are two basic axioms you never want to forget, because they are the rock upon which all your actions are based.

1. No one, nowhere, no time, and under no circumstances has the right or power in this country to immunize you or your children against your will and conviction. If they attempt to do so, you can legally charge them with "assault with a deadly weapon" and have the full resources of our laws behind you.

2. At all times in attempting to avoid unwanted immunization, you have the Law of the Land behind you. Those who would try to vaccinate you against your will are on very shaky ground. Into every compulsory immunization law in America are written legal exceptions and waivers which are there specifically to protect you from the attempted tyranny of officialdom. It is not only your right, but your obligation to use them, if this is what your conscience tells you.

Article I
In all your contacts with any member of the school, public health, or legal establishment, always remain calm, courteous, and humbly reverent toward their position. You are only asking of them that which the law duty binds them to give you. There is no reason, or advantage to be gained, by antagonizing them. Most of these officials believe they are discharging their trust as outlined by law. If they are overstepping the law, then you must very diplomatically bring the true facts to their attention, but without attempting to belittle them. The more you can preserve their ego, the more easily and quickly you are likely to get what you desire - a waiver of immunization.

Rule No. 1: Do not harass, belittle, or antagonize officials unnecessarily.

Article 2
All compulsory laws concerning vaccination (including the military) contain exceptions and waivers. It is these protections placed in the laws that you may legally use to exclude yourself and your children. Surprisingly, these exceptions were placed there, not for your sake (although you may take advantage of them), but for the protection of the establishment. How is this? Let us assume that these exceptions were not there and everyone was actually forced to be immunized. Should a child die or become mentally or physically disabled, the parent would have the perfect case to sue the doctor, the school, the health department, and even the state legislature for enormous damages. Since they allowed no exceptions, they must accept full responsibility for all the adverse consequences of the law. However, if exception waivers are placed in the law, the responsibility is then transferred back to the parent. If a child should be injured by immunization, the officials can say, "Well, the parent should have exempted him if they thought there was any danger."
Therefore, there is in truth no such thing as a compulsory vaccination law in this country. They are ALL, in essence, voluntary. The problem is that practically no one in authority will let you know this fact.

Rule No. 2: There are no compulsory vaccination laws. All are voluntary, and you are held responsible for the adverse results upon you or your children.

Article 3
While all immunization laws have exceptions you can use, the wording in each state differs, and you must know the exact wording for your state to make the proper request of waiver. This information can be obtained in one of two ways.

1. Go to the reference section of your local library- look in the State Statute Revised Law Book under Public Health Law or Communicable Disease sections. The list of immunization requirements will appear first and then the exemptions will be given. Usually one or two provisions will be listed, either on religious or medical grounds or both.

2. You may call or write your state representative and ask for a copy of the immunization law in your state. Making this available is part of his job, and it will be sent promptly.

Rule No. 3: Know your own state law so that you can conform to its exact requirements for exemption.

Article 4
There are two basic reasons for exception - medical or religious. Which one you choose will often depend upon the wording of the law in your state and your personal convictions. We shall discuss medical exemption first. While laws do vary, nearly all states require that a note or certificate of waiver be submitted by a physician licensed in the state of residence. In some areas where states are small and people continually travel from one to another for business, a statement from a physician in a contiguous state will be accepted.
In this letter it is usually necessary to state the reason for the requested waiver and the length of time it should extend. Many laws limit all such letters to a school year and they must be renewed each fall. The two most valid reasons for medical waiver are "the fear of allergic reaction in a sensitive child" and "to prevent possible damage to a weakened immune system." Both of these can occur in a child who has been immunized, and since no one but the physician and the parent will be held responsible for their consequences, it is up to them to protect the child.
It is possible that some states may require the letter from an M.D. or D.O., but many will allow an exemption letter from a chiropractor if it is courteously and properly written, as outlined above.

Rule No. 4: Medical waivers are always valid but must be written to fit each state law and often need to be renewed annually.

Article 5
Most people will be best served by a religious exemption unless the state law is so restrictive as to make this nearly impossible to obtain. The only church that is legally opposed to vaccination is the Christian Science Church. They took the matter to the courts and obtained a legal ruling of exemption. It is because of this that state laws recognize the religious exemption.
Another church, The Church of Illumination is also by its tenets opposed to immunization for its adherents, and they are encouraged to go to jail if necessary before submitting to this procedure. Since it is a "Church at Large," they are able to enroll members throughout the entire United States and would be pleased to consider any applicant who is without present church affiliation and who desires the legitimate support of others in his convictions.
In some states an official letter from a church authority is required before exemption will be given; in others, it is only necessary to submit a notarized letter that you ADHERE to religious tenets which hold vaccination against God's laws. All officialdom becomes a little shaky when you mention religious freedom, as it is one of our basic American rights and no one wants to be made the "heavy" in denying anyone religious freedom.
The general desire of most health officials is to exert as much control as possible, while assuming as little responsibility as possible. If you place them in a position in which they must either give you a waiver or assume additional responsibility, you will usually get your waiver.

Rule No. 5: Waivers can usually be obtained by a letter from a church official certifying that you are a member of a church that recommends against immunizations for its adherents. Many states will also allow exemption on religious grounds if you send them a notarized letter stating that you ADHERE to the beliefs of such a church, even if you are not an official member.

Article 6
The foregoing may work for school exemptions, but are there any such waivers in the Armed Forces? Yes, all branches of the Service provide "immunization waivers." Again, if they did not, you could sue them for millions of dollars if a reaction occurred from their immunizations. Because of these waiver provisions you become responsible if you react.
When you first sign up or enlist, you must state your objection to the vaccinations and tell whether it is "religious conscience" or medical reasons, such as allergies or a low tolerance to medication of any kind. If you do not show objection at this time, you have given the military the right to do what they will with you. If there is any difficulty, the same rules apply here as in the school program. Never forget, even though you may be in the Service, no one has the right to immunize you against your will. You do not give up your constitutional rights when you join the Armed Forces.

Rule No. 6: The rules that govern school vaccination exemption also apply to the military. Never let anyone tell you otherwise. They do not know, or are hiding the facts of the law.

Article 7
What about international travel? May I go around the world without vaccination?

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva grants American visitors the right to REFUSE shots when traveling internationally. However, if an area you wish to enter is infected, you may be detained until the public health servant gives you the "go" (at his discretion). Thousands travel world-wide each year without shots - so may you if that is your choice. Many of our co-workers have travel led over much of the world and have never taken any immunizations, nor were they ever detained.

It would be wise to request a copy of Foreign Rules and Regulations, Part 71, Title 42, on immunization when you receive your passport. Never forget the basic rule, however, "No one will vaccinate you against your will because by doing so they assume full responsibility for the consequences both legal and medical."

Rule No. 7: You may travel wherever you wish in the world without vaccination. The worst that can happen is that in very rare circumstances you may be detained temporarily.

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:35 PM
The shots make us docile , sheep like...follow , dont ask , dont resist....thats why our govenment is taking are being vaccinatied to be woosies and do not stand up and fight anymore......the vaccines take over where religion fails for others , if both fail and you resist , you will become and example , a car accident , a nut with a gun in the right place with the right media coverage......look at us now......and see what it will be in 10 - 20 years......we as citizens are losing control and dont even know it...

Dang I should write a movie plot

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:58 PM
Since when did "Secret" = "Publicly released"?

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:34 PM

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by nrd101
Perhaps the washing with soap and water more frequently as the 20th century advanced and we gained an understanding of bacteria and germs thus enabling us to stifle polio.

polio was eradicated by a vaccine not hygiene...

Likely many things helped bring polio under control, the vaccine being just one plausible contributer.

1 vaccine MAY be helpful.

29 MAY kill you or leave you with a life of degenerative disease.

At what point are parents going to say ENOUGH. 29? 290? 2900? At what point does the dose response curve start showing negative affects of toxic overload. I personally feel U.S. society has already passed that point and overdosing our very young on thse poisons is setting them up for a life of sickness and disease rather than health. There are much better, much less risky, much less toxic ways to maintain health.

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:51 PM
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


You make many good points. Some I agree with and others I don't. For all of my children, I have a simple little immunization tracker that the nurse handwrites a date and initials indicating when and by whom the shot was given. A photocopy of this sheet is what their schools accepted as proof of immunization. At no time has anything on the little sheet been verified. My children were vaccinated, but I could have just as easily wrote dates and initials myself. School nurses and staff do not have the resources to verify the records of every child and I would hazard a bet that very few ever do any checking.

That being said, I do not agree with or trust anything not medically necessary, life threatening circumstances aside. I have no way to validate the potency,quality, or safety of ANY medication including shots.

Also, there will be many on ATS shocked by this revelation (given my natural skepticism) but I do not trust ANY government to not experiment on or otherwise introduce an agent into the population under the guise of medicine or prevention. I personally know individuals whom have been purposefully infected with disease as children in the 50's. What similar "experiments" will you learn about 40 years from now that are happening today?

posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:09 PM
reply to post by chrisb9

Wow, thanks great info. One thing I didn't see though was concerning employers who attempt to coherce employees up to the point of termination for refusal to be injected. It seems to me this is the end run that those who push these things are using to force their products onto an unwilling market. And from what I see, it appears that they are not only going after the private sector but 'gov' employees as well and trying to force them to comply or risk termination. What legal recourse do these people have to not be discriminated against?

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posted on Jan, 12 2013 @ 06:10 AM
After eMailing The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Sun and The Express and Star(My local paper) i have so far got a grand total of... NO REPLIES

posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 11:29 PM
I have never and will never get a flu shot, and i have never gotten the flu hah. Anyone notice how the media is reporting widespread outbreaks of flu across the country yet the majority of people have gotten flu shots every year? Its like a big joke.

posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 11:33 PM
reply to post by luciddream

I think you mean Polio and Small Pox.

Split Infinity

posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Strattos
I used to visit often but, after a while, I noticed that they post some very egregious falsities. I haven’t read the report you linked but I am highly dubious
Vaccination is and has been of great benefit to many creatures. Not all, mind you, but killing small pox makes the top of the list.

It may be listed in the link but what would be the point of such an endeavor? Placebo effect?

actually read the links to the original freedom of information act papers and research, as that is startling !

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