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Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
I don't know about the gates of the here after, still wrapped up in the now.
What I do know though, it is possible to 'know' without ascribing to a certain religion.
What no hand can touch, can not be contaminated.
This is interesting. How can one separate the mind from what is given by the unseen?
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
I don't know about the gates of the here after, still wrapped up in the now.
What I do know though, it is possible to 'know' without ascribing to a certain religion.
What no hand can touch, can not be contaminated.
This is interesting. How can one separate the mind from what is given by the unseen?
Sorry to be dense, but can you please elaborate on your question.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
I don't know about the gates of the here after, still wrapped up in the now.
What I do know though, it is possible to 'know' without ascribing to a certain religion.
What no hand can touch, can not be contaminated.
This is interesting. How can one separate the mind from what is given by the unseen?
Sorry to be dense, but can you please elaborate on your question.
You say it is possible to know. But, how do you separate your mind interjecting, against what is truly out there? For instance, how do you separate what you are getting from an external source against an internal source such as the mind?
Well, maybe if we stood on top a mountain, the energy of the earth could go through us and reach god. I live on top of a hill, not a mountain.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by rickymouse
Well, maybe if we stood on top a mountain, the energy of the earth could go through us and reach god. I live on top of a hill, not a mountain.
Are you saying to use Earth as a middle man? I dont think Im following you. Are you saying that the mountain is closer to god because the mountain is higher then the hill? If that is what you are saying...then you are assuming god is in the sky and one must get close to the sky to reach god? I really dont think Im following....
Are you saying that God is not in the earth and is not within us and in life itself...but that god is in the sky...so the closer to the sky one can get the better earths energy can go through and reach god?
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by rickymouse
Well, maybe if we stood on top a mountain, the energy of the earth could go through us and reach god. I live on top of a hill, not a mountain.
Are you saying to use Earth as a middle man? I dont think Im following you. Are you saying that the mountain is closer to god because the mountain is higher then the hill? If that is what you are saying...then you are assuming god is in the sky and one must get close to the sky to reach god? I really dont think Im following....
Are you saying that God is not in the earth and is not within us and in life itself...but that god is in the sky...so the closer to the sky one can get the better earths energy can go through and reach god?
edit on 2-1-2013 by LeoVirgo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jhill76
Is is possible I can know of God by going to him directly, without religion?
If I follow religion, I have to be holy to their standards, and not what I feel in my heart.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by jhill76
If I follow religion, I have to be holy to their standards, and not what I feel in my heart.
Jeremiah 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You tell us, jhill76. Is our heart alone trustworthy? Can it be deceived?
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by jhill76
If I follow religion, I have to be holy to their standards, and not what I feel in my heart.
Jeremiah 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You tell us, jhill76. Is our heart alone trustworthy? Can it be deceived?
You know how I post and for what reasons. I will pm you.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by rickymouse
Lets just say that the Holy Spirit or source fills all life...why then could a true seeker with a humble heart not reach or find God...learn of the nature of God, anywhere on Earth? I agree...nature can be a great way to learn of the nature of God because I believe God is the source that gives us life, fills our being, that we and everything is connected by this spirit. Does it matter if Im on a mountain or in my back yard sitting under a tree?
Something that resonates with me is that the kingdom is within us, because the spirit is in all life. Anyways, I feel I have been taught, guided, and shown things....by this Spirit. I usually do fasting from meats if I feel the need to go to Thee in such a way for guidance, with a clear heart and mind...and honest intent for seeking Thee.
I dont think being on a mountain makes any difference but some may find that they are more comfortable atop a mountain?
My most humble and honest moments in learning of the nature of Spirit were on my back porch under the great rising sun, with a honest heart and clear mind and a empty cup of any preconceived ideas that any other man has every given me of 'what god is and how to find thee'.
I believe God is in all life, and in all life, we can learn of Thee's nature...but most of all, through our own selves.
Yes, there can be distortions....but the distortions come because we have come to Thee with preconceived ideas about God, about the nature of God, about expectations of God.
Empty the cup, admit to knowing nothing, know the Spirit is within you....that is the best start I can offer anyone. The fasting of meats was something I felt the Spirit told me I needed to do for the things I was seeking of and asking of.
Not saying right or wrong...as others have said...there may be no right or wrong...but some ways may cause a distortion. The main thing that causes distortion is seeking Thee with preconceived ideas of what Thee's nature is.
I welcome any feedback or comments.
But I do believe, we can be that conduit, without a doubt. But as I said, depending on the conduit, there may likely be distortions.
Originally posted by jhill76
Is is possible I can know of God by going to him directly, without religion?
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
I don't know about the gates of the here after, still wrapped up in the now.
What I do know though, it is possible to 'know' without ascribing to a certain religion.
What no hand can touch, can not be contaminated.
This is interesting. How can one separate the mind from what is given by the unseen?
Sorry to be dense, but can you please elaborate on your question.
You say it is possible to know. But, how do you separate your mind interjecting, against what is truly out there? For instance, how do you separate what you are getting from an external source against an internal source such as the mind?
My mind, thankfully was able to cease the flow when it became too much, otherwise I would have gone mad or disolved, who knows.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by AussieAmandaC
My mind, thankfully was able to cease the flow when it became too much, otherwise I would have gone mad or disolved, who knows.
I understand this, as I have seen some who didn't know how to control of it, and have gone on home.
I know what you mean on your other points, it is clear now.