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reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:19 PM by all2human
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How will we ever know..
regardless imo this is a sign of desperation within Syria..
Neither side in this conflict is right,there are just levels of less wrong..
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reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:20 PM by beezzer
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
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We had freedom of expression before Gutenberg too...but compromising the newspapers has always been considered a first amendment violation. Basically if there is a means of communication, the government can't prohibit it's use.



I always took freedom of expression as being able to express ones self, er. . um. . . freely.

If the government said, "You are no longer allowed to express your thoughts" then I would find that an inhibition.

This is a tactic to pursue a different goal. This is a war. It is a ploy. It is a tactic. Not a new draconian rule.


reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:23 PM by PatrickGarrow17
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Well, yeah. In Syria it is just the cherry on top of a sundae of true crimes on humanity during the course of a dictator waging war on his country...but if the US figured out a way to kill the internet here, and did it tomorrow, it would easily qualify as a 1st amendment violation.



reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:26 PM by Radiobuzz
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Are you being dense on purpose? What part of online freedom of expression did you not understand?


reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:29 PM by all2human
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Wow,drinking the punch have much?And Obama isn't guilty of crimes against his own constitution and humanity?Bush?Netanyahoo?i could go on and on...
Point your finger at one, point it to all...
Ones person's mass muderer/terrorist is another's war hero/freedom fighter
..
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reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:29 PM by beezzer
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
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post by beezzer



Well, yeah. In Syria it is just the cherry on top of a sundae of true crimes on humanity during the course of a dictator waging war on his country...but if the US figured out a way to kill the internet here, and did it tomorrow, it would easily qualify as a 1st amendment violation.


I'd have to agree only because it wouldn't be prefaced by a war.


reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:30 PM by PatrickGarrow17
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I think Beezzer point is that it is ridiculous to think we have a right to the internet, which is fair...

But once a bunch of people in the private sector set up the internet, it is a violation for the government to shut it down...

Noone is calling a human rights violation in Sierra Leone because only a quarter percent of the pop has internet access.


reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:30 PM by beezzer
Originally posted by Radiobuzz
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Are you being dense on purpose? What part of online freedom of expression did you not understand?


I explainedmyself fairly clearly in previous posts.

We can soil ourselves over the loss of the internet, but we're missing the big picture here.

Um, a civil war.


reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 01:37 PM by PatrickGarrow17
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Wow,drinking the punch have much?And Obama isn't guilty of crimes against his own constitution and humanity?Bush?Netanyahoo?i could go on and on... Point your finger at one, point it to all... Ones person's mass muderer/terrorist is another's war hero/freedom fighter


What? lol

Where did that outlash come from?....there's a squeeze on rights all over the world in the name of protection over privacy...taking data from everyone without warrants, waging war: yeah this stuff is bad.

This is a thread about Syria's internet being dead at the moment, that's what I was commenting on... if at any point I put my full support behind any of the people you mentioned I swear it was the CIA hacking my system



reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 02:17 PM by zedVSzardoz
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EXPECT
The internet's great, but I swear it will be our downfall. Too much reliance, too much centralized control, too hard to regulate.

We need a serious citizens protection force, with superior skills to government agencies, and fast.


nah,

that just leads to the overthrow of sovereign nations. I don't like that idea. It is actually a Marxist insurgency tactic. Then they are convinced of some lie and all of a sudden the democracy exits stage right and in come the jerks no one knows anything about.....fast forward a few decades and it is every failed example of that sort of system of governance.

No, thank you.

EDIT:
The greatest library ever assembled is not a bad thing, unless you don't like an ever more educated people to govern.
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reply posted on 29-11-2012 @ 02:30 PM by PatrickGarrow17
nah,

that just leads to the overthrow of sovereign nations. I don't like that idea. It is actually a Marxist insurgency tactic. Then they are convinced of some lie and all of a sudden the democracy exits stage right and in come the jerks no one knows anything about.....fast forward a few decades and it is every failed example of that sort of system of governance.

No, thank you.

EDIT:
The greatest library ever assembled is not a bad thing, unless you don't like an ever more educated people to govern.
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The internet is great in a lot of ways...but it's offering the opportunity for unprecedented control over people, by whoever has access to the most information. As we have it, it is becoming more cost effectivie to store ALL data permanently than spy on a case by case basis. It costs way more to build fighter jets, than it does to surveille entire populations. Within 20 years technology will exist that allows for global surveillance and permanent data storage.

I can almost guarantee you that a MAJOR company will rise that's primary service is to protect the privacy of internet users. If you knew that your government was storing your every move on the internet, your every phone call, and synthesizing a personality profile based on it, don't you think you'd pay, say 100$ a year to prevent that? A lot of people would, and will.

This is the type of citizens organization I'm talking about. Basically a company, devoted to protecting the people from government excess and protecting democracy, freedom, and the internet.

Otherwise, more people will become aware of surveillance capabilities and it will come to a critical point where the government takes all power completely or the people fight back in a less technical way.
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