Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital (Ireland)

reply to post by shelookslikeone


The only way to get the man who has 7 kids with 7 women to pay is to force them into court for paternity tests and then child support payments can be arranged afterwards. There are many men who dodge this for years and years. Sometimes it takes until the child is approaching adulthood themselves before any of this is settled. Even when it is settled, I know of many men who have bosses who will pay them under the table so that child support payments are made to be lower because not all the wages are being reported.

Every single woman is not getting an abortion nor is it their first choice. You think women just see that they are pregnant and immediately book an appointment for an abortion? FALSE. Did you know there is a counseling component to all abortions? Options are discussed as well as concerns before anything is ever decided.

You want to put an end to abortions? Start looking at the root of the problem and stop putting band-aids on symptoms and expect it to just stop. If everyone just keeps looking at women only and blaming them for it the problem is going to just continue.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by seabhac-rua

 

Would it make you feel better if they were all athiests? It doesn't matter why the majority are against abortion, the point is that they are. It's not a huge secret or something, people who move to Ireland know what they are getting into, or they are too dumb to research the place they are moving to. Either way, tough luck if you don't like their laws, when you move there you agree to abide by them.

I am merely pointing out the fact that the roman catholic church has something to do with why abortion is illegal in Ireland, in response to another members claims to the contrary.

I couldn't give a hoot what religion somebody is.

If you knew Ireland you'd know what I'm talking about, I am old enough to remember when people were afraid of their local priest, were afraid to stand out in the crowd for fear of ridicule from the pulpit, when unmarried mothers were sent away, had to emigrate to the UK or give their child up for adoption, my fathers generation were beaten as children by the christian brothers, I know adults who were sexually abused by priests when they were very young, I had one of those priests as a teacher in school(he later committed suicide). The negative influence of the church is deeply ingrained in the Irish psyche.

Originally posted by bluloa
Mis-information or what!

I live in Ireland, so lets clear the facts up.

Abortion isnt illegal in Ireland as such, Medical staff in hospitals can carry out abortions providing the mothers life is in danger.

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I will tell you what I know about Septicemia, it takes a damn long time for some thing to cause septiciemia so either she had something that caused her back pain (an infection) which also caused the baby to terminate and caused also septicemia, they didn't test her enough. Back issues can be caused by for one meningitis and there's several otehr things that can cause back pain that can lead to septiciemia, it was the hospitals fault actually for both deaths...because they missed something obviously!

Originally posted by shelookslikeone
More feminism anti-man rhetoric being thrown around. A man has no say in pregnancy? Oh really? Ladies, do me a favor, go sit on a bed and try to become pregnant on your own. Go ahead. Sit there until it happens! ...?

Men dont have a say in pregnancy, stop whining about it, life isnt fair sweetheart.

All you women pushing this pro feminist crap and how you love the fact that you think it's your womanly right to murder your own child

Just so we are clear, it is my womanly right to do so and no one (of whatever gender) will ever dictate differently.

need to understand that this feminist garbage was injected into this society to divide us. Just like racial division, religious intolerance and every other form of hatred on this planet.

I think opinion pushers like yourself do a great job in diving people.

You want to know the real reason why so many women will sit here and defend abortion? Because most of them have had them.

Oh that MUST be it! You've cracked it, well done Sherlock. /end sarcasm.

It's the only way they can sleep at night.

Because were so pathetic and emotional! Is it any wonder how us women get by day to day without a man to guide us!?

It's time to come back to reality.

Somehow i doubt you'll be leading the pack on this one..

People talk about the Maya and other early cultures because they practiced human sacrifice? ...compare the numbers.

If you're quoting the end of the world then im going to have to stop you right here and say stop trolling my thread.

Pretty much, the pro-life stance (ironically) does kill people.

The important question in abortion debates is whose life do you value more: The already living mother, or the underdeveloped foetus?

reply to post by ldyserenity


The treatment for septicemia is antibiotics, which they started giving her on day two.

Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

So should've the men who decided to sleep with them. They should know the risks that by sleeping with her he might kill her by impregnating her.

Propagation of the species, not the same as abortion by any means. Propagation = creation of life, abortion = destruction of life.

I thought this was about a woman who asked for an abortion as she was ALREADY miscarrying (a previously wanted) pregnancy, she knew this was inevitable, was in agony and gravely ill.

Reading some of the comments some seem to be under the impression that she got pregnant on purpose having group orgies with footy teams and was having an abortion on a whim and wasn't sick at all. One person even used the term "whoring around". I wonder how that would make her husband/spouse feel.. are these kinds of coments from a christian point of view? A pro-life point of view? Was forcing her to die in agony so a fetus could die naturally opposed to being removed an hour or so earlier a more moral thing to do?

It's a shame the admin aren't doing their jobs keeping this topic ON topic am disgusted at the misogynistic direction this thread has been taken.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

My thoughts are don't get pregnant if you don't like the risk of death. Women have died in childbirth for thousands of years

You wrote that. That was what I was commenting on. If women know the risk, then so should the men who impregnate them.

Double standard.

Originally posted by riley
I thought this was about a woman who asked for an abortion as she was ALREADY miscarrying (a previously wanted) pregnancy, she knew this was inevitable, was in agony and gravely ill.

Was forcing her to die in agony so a fetus could die naturally opposed to being removed an hour or so earlier a more moral thing to do?

It's a shame the admin aren't doing their jobs keeping this topic ON topic am disgusted at the misogynistic direction this thread has been taken.

edit on 17-11-2012 by riley because: (no reason given)

agreed, this thread is making me sick.

The foetus was already going to die, and they knew it, but no, still protect the dying foetus when the already alive and healthy mother will die too.

But half of you would never understand, because you will never be pregnant!

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reply to post by riley


You thought wrong apparently. She came in and was admitted for threatened miscarriage, which just means some bleeding. It is common, and when a fetal heartbeat is detected, which was the case here, 85-97% pregnancies go fine.

reply to post by TKDRL


If I thought wrong then the woman would not have died.. bleeding was obviously the begginning of a natural abortion. The bleeding and her being in agony as well should have tipped the doctors off that this was not one of those "85-97% pregnancies" and was a serious medical issue. Their medical duty should have been to the woman first and foremost.

reply to post by riley


She died of an infection, not a miscarriage....... I know pro life people like to liken fetus to parasites and viruses and such, but an abortion would not have cured the infection. She was started on antibiotics, you know, what they do for infections, the day before she miscarried. Don't let facts get in the way though. Carry on with trying to turn her into a martyr for the pro life battle...... I mean pro choice

reply to post by riley


don't know how star and flag you, but you get one from. very good post.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by riley

 

She died of an infection, not a miscarriage.......

If the dead or dieing fetus is causing the infection then it could cause the mother to die.

know pro life people like to liken fetus to parasites and viruses and such,

Thats the first time I've ever heard that. So do pro-life people really liken fetuses to parasites?
Why are you carrying on about this at me? I have not likened fetuses to parasites or viruses at all. How on earth is a fetus in ANY way like a virus? That makes absolutely no sense and only shows your lack of medical understanding. Stick to the subject.

but an abortion would not have cured the infection.

That is yet to be determined there are still two investigations into her death pending.

Read more: www.news.com.au...

She was started on antibiotics, you know, what they do for infections, the day before she miscarried.

Typically if something is causing an infection.. like shrapnel, splinters, absessed teeth, septic tissue, apendix, a dead or dieing fetus, diseased placenta, they, you know.. remove it so it doesn't turn more toxic and continue to poison the blood. Antibiotics do not magically remove the source of infection. For all we know the fetus or placenta may have had an infection itself.

Don't let facts get in the way though.

You certainly have ignored facts. You have shown us NO evidence that the dieing/dead fetus did not cause the infection.. and given it's still yet to be properly investigated to say there is evidence would be an outright lie.

Carry on with trying to turn her into a martyr for the pro life battle...... I mean pro choice

Indeed I have not mentioned being pro-choice at all. I am disgusted that YOU would start carrying on about "parasites" and making an innocent woman's death about "pro-life" and "pro-choice".
The woman WANTED the baby and only asked for it to be aborted AFTER she was bleeding and gravely ill.. she didn't ask for an abortion through choice.
I actually have compassion for this woman and I resent you implying that I ONLY care about her death as part of a pro-choice agenda. You seem to want to draw a line in the sand and make it pro-life VS pro-choice issue in order to change the subject and make this thread about abortion rights in general rather than the woman herself so it's pretty obvious you do not care about her death. This was NOT a "normal" abortion request it was a request made in a medical emergency so stop trying to spin the issue to being about abotion in general. I have NO doubt there are many "pro-lifers" who would agree that they should have given her an abortion in order to preserve the life of the mother.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


Why do you hate men so much? I'm sincerely curious. Are you one of those feminists that thinks all men should be wiped off the planet or something? I just can't wrap my head around why you have such seething hatred for not only the opposite sex, but it would seem children as well.

I'm sorry that you've been brainwashed into hating your own species. As if this kind of hatred some how empowers women. It's a mental illness and I hope you receive treatment.

reply to post by shelookslikeone


Why do you think so little of women and the struggles they go through? Why are you so interested in minimizing the trauma that women go through when it comes to making the choice to have an abortion?

Any abortion thread lately has focused solely on attacking and demonizing women. The moment any poster tries to point how men are just as responsible or at fault they are attacked for being a "man-hater" or a feminazi.

The most common situations where women seek abortions are because they are not going to be able to afford another child (or even the cost of pregnancy with all the pills and doctor/specialist visits) especially as a single mother.

If a woman decides to keep the child but might have to rely on state or federal assistance to feed, clothe and shelter that child then they are bad "welfare" mothers who are going to raise "welfare" kids leeching off the system. If she aborts, she is an evil and murderous woman who deserves the same fate.

I'll tell you why exactly. Human children have been raised on this planet in mud huts eating scraps. You do not abort a child because you can't afford it. You chose to take the risk to begin with. And now you lower YOUR living standard to raise the human life you CHOSE to bring into this world.

At the end of the day, it is murder. I do not think little of women in the least, but I will call a spade a spade. And I'll be honest, the reason why I went off on the op of this thread as I did is because she seems to actually take pride in abortion and that sickens me beyond belief.

reply to post by shelookslikeone


So by your logic it is more humane for a child to die a slow death of starvation and disease? That is sadism.

You do not abort a child because you can't afford it. You chose to take the risk to begin with.

Where do men fit in here? As far as I know, a woman can't get pregnant on her own. How do you propose we enforce them to take financial and social responsibility for their children without burdening the already overloaded judicial system?

And now you lower YOUR living standard to raise the human life you CHOSE to bring into this world.

Women are already below the poverty line. How much farther would you like them to go? Chances are, they're already there.

Do you stop and think that maybe part of the reason why the woman asked for an abortion in the case of this thread was because of the emotional and psychological trauma of having a dying (dead) baby inside of her was too much to bear?

Now, you admit that you got heated because of a post you read. Why not give the benefit of the doubt of the OP that maybe she felt the same way, especially after reading some of the posts on this thread. I think near the beginning there were quite a few posters saying that the woman deserved it or it was karma. You can see why some of us would so staunchly argue against those kinds of mentalities in such a tragic situation.