Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Enochwasright, I appreciate the time and effort you are putting into your posts.
But those are all just theology lessons from a christian point of view. You are just pulling up an unrelated verse from somewhere else and saying
"look, the son is this and that".
It really does NOT address the verses in question.
Try and simplify by addressing the points in the OP.
1. If Jesus was "fully God and fully man"... why did he need to "learn" obedience?
2. If Jesus was crucified.... why does that verse say he was saved from death?
Can you answer these simple questions directly?
Read this reply and the OP that I set in place a few days ago. It is entirely related to your premise. The excluded middle in this case allows the
broader perspective to emerge. Consider it this way.
If a train engineer and a friend argue over the train whistle, which one is correct. The engineer says the whistle does not change pitch. The friend
watching the train go by says that it does. Who is correct? Both. The Doppler effect is the excluded middle.
Here is your excluded middle: LINK
Also, consider this from the Gospel of the Nazirines.
1.Again the twelve were gathered together in the circle of palm trees, and one of them even Thomas asked the others, "What is Truth? For the same
things appear different to different minds, and even to the same mind at different times. What, then, is Truth?"
2.And as they were speaking Yeshua appeared in their midst and said, "Truth, one and absolute, is in God alone, for no man, neither any body of men,
knows that which God alone knows, who is the All in All. To men is truth revealed, according to their capacity to understand and receive."
3."The One truth has many sides, and one sees one side only, another, and some see more than others, according as it is given to them."
4.Behold this crystal; how the one light is manifest in twelve faces, yea four times twelve, and each face reflects one ray of light, and one regards
one face, and another, another, but it is the one crystal, and the one light that shines in all."
5."Behold again, When one climbs a mountain and attaining one height, he says, this is the top of the mountain, let us reach it, and when they have
reached that height, lo, they see another beyond it until they come to that height from which no other height is to be seen, if so be they can attain
6."So it is with truth. I am the truth and the way and the life, and have given to you the truth which I have received from above. And that which is
seen and received by one, is not seen and received by another. That which appears true to some, seems not true to others. They who are in the valley
don't see what they who are on the hill top see."
7."But to each, it is the truth as the one mind seeth it, and for that time, till a higher truth shall be revealed to the same; and to the soul which
receives higher light, shall be given more light. Wherefore don't condemn others, that you not be condemned."
8."As you keep the holy law of love, which I have given to you, so will the truth be revealed more and more to you, and the spirit of truth which
comes from above will guide you, albeit through many wanderings, into all truth, even as the fiery cloud guided the children of Israel through the
9."Be faithful to the light you have, till a higher light is given to you. Seek more light, and you will have abundantly; rest not, until you find."
10."God gives you all truth, as a ladder with many steps, for the salvation and perfection of the soul, and the truth which seems today, you will
abandon for the higher truth tomorrow. Press toward perfection."
11."Who so keeps the holy law which I have given, the same will save their souls, however differently they may see the truths which I have given."
12."Many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, we have been zealous for your truth. But I will say to you, NO! but, that others may see as you see, and none
other truth beside. Faith without charity is dead. Love is the fulfilling of the law."
13."How will faith in what they receive profit them that hold it in unrighteousness? They who have love have all things, and without love there is
nothing worth. Let each hold what they see to be the truth in love, knowing that where love is not, truth is a dead letter and profits nothing."
14."There abide goodness, and truth, and beauty, but the greatest of these is goodness. If any have hatred to their fellows, and harden their hearts
to the creatures of God's hands, how can they see truth to salvation, seeing their eyes are blinded and their hearts are hardened to God's creation."
15."As I have received the truth, so have I given it to you. Let each receive it according to their light and ability to understand, and don't
persecute those who receive it after a different interpretation."
16."For truth is the might of God, and it shall prevail in the end over all errors. But the holy law which I have given is plain for all, and just and
good, Let all observe it for the salvation of their souls."
2 Corinthians 3:6
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Just as life can create a stumbling block, so the letter kills. The Spirit is the way to see life from the dead letter (The Past). Look to the
future of what the letter brings. This is where life is. God raises his children, including the Son of God.
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