posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 12:14 AM
OP-First, I'd like to commend you on bringing up a very valid point and continuing to hammer it home.
Having said that, let me ask you a couple of questions.
Why is it so important to you that Jesus wasn't God and that he didn't die? I mean, what does it matter, at the end of the day? How will believing
that affect your life, and how do you think it will affect anyone else's life? I'm not saying that this is an answer to your challenge; I'm just
curious as to why this seems so vitally important to you. You want to stop people from worshiping Jesus and believing he died for their sins...and
then what? What's that going to do for them? For you?
Do you think that you are the first person to find these verses and point out what seems to be a pretty obvious error? In 2,000 years, no one has ever
looked at these verses and drawn the same conclusions as you? That's pretty heady stuff. I mean, all the millions of people who have read the Bible
and no one picked up on that? Well, of course they did. And no one tried to change or suppress it, the way that LDS does with the book of Mormon? I
mean, that's a pretty serious liability right there out in the open. I grant you that there are some dumb people who read the Bible, but not all of
them are morons. Enough people would have pointed this out and made such a fuss that it would have been changed, or the whole religion would have
collapsed by now.
So we're left with the conclusion that these verses must not literally mean what you think they mean. Now, you object to people explaining Bible
verses by using other ones and to people providing different definitions for terms like "death," but I'm sorry to tell you that those are two of
the three ways that people interpret the Bible. The Bible has its own internal logic.
The Bible is not "user-friendly." It is not laid out like an instruction manual or a road map, despite being marketed by Christians like that. It
requires digging, and reflection. It's also not like a dictionary, where you can just open it up and have answers clearly spelled out for you. Words
change meaning over time, through different cultures and languages, and they require context for interpretation.
The Bible says that the wages of sin is death. Christians teach that the wage of sin is Hell. Now, either you have a contradiction, or you have to try
to figure out what the Bible writer meant by "death." You cannot apply the modern meaning to the word and take it at literal face value. If I were
to say to you, "You should check out the latest comedy video by Louis C.K.. Dude, I died laughing, " and you were to say, "You're not dead; you
just contradicted yourself," it would be absurd. This seems like a silly example, because we both know what I mean by "died," but imagine if
someone wrote the conversation down and then translated it to another language twenty centuries from now.
The third way that Christians interpret scripture is by oral tradition. Even the Bible admits that oral teaching is as good as or superior to the
written word. 2nd Thess. 2:15 puts oral tradition on par with Paul’s letters, and 2 John 12 shows that the disciples preferred face-to-face teaching
over the written word. So, who still has oral tradition? Find that out.
The early church fathers grappled with these questions in the three centuries after Christ, and from this debate came the Nicene Creed and what books
are in the Bible. If Hebrews contradicted the death and divinity of Christ, they would have pulled it instead of canonizing it. Read the early church
fathers if you are serious about getting an answer to your questions.