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Originally posted by mideast
And also David-pbuh sleeps with his commander's wife and then he kills him ?
Is that right ?edit on 7-10-2012 by mideast because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by schuyler
As they say in the semanaries, "The New Testament, in which God is in a much better mood."
Originally posted by benrl
Ive always looked at it as.
OT= Gods view of Sin.
NT= Gods view of the sinner.
Earth - We are planted into the Garden. We are not rooted in the soil like plants or in a fixed domain like fish. Instead, we can occupy all domains. This autonomy requires that we overcome these domains by hardships. The wilderness we occupy was provided to allow our growth by experience.
Air - We are given the Word of God as a guide to the wilderness. This word is also the language we learn and master. Meaning ultimately comes when we decipher the inner symbols of nature and overcome our ignorance and pride of the outer world. Meaning springs from the root, just like a plant.
Water - We are baptized into the Water (Immersion into Reality). The water cleanses the temple (body). The temple is where the sacrifice is made. This temple houses the spirit of God, along with our soul. We are to overcome as we are born again. "You must be born again." Plants die and the seed perpetuates to the next generation. Producing fruit ensures seed for the next crop.
Isaiah 26
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
Fire - We are finally baptized by Trials. The Flaming Sword of God cuts away pride and protects the tree of life. The tree of life is DNA. We light the fire we burn by. We can also put out the fire with the water.
Spirit - After overcoming the first four baptisms, we are then baptized by the Spirit of God. Jesus is necessary for us to be marked by the spirit for salvation from the Fire. The water and blood of Christ brings salvation from the corruption of the elements.
The Vulgate, "Why now do ye say, let us persecute him, and find ground of accusation - "radicem verbi" against him?" The Septuagint, "If you also say, What shall we say against him? and what ground of accusation - ῥίζαν λόγου rizan logou - shall we find in him?" Rosenmuller renders it, "When you say, let us persecute him, and see what ground of accusation we can find in him, then fear the sword." Most critics concur in such an interpretation as implies that they had sought a ground of accusation against him, and that they would have occasion to fear the divine displeasure on account of it. It seems to me, however, that our translators have given substantially the fair sense of the Hebrew. A slight variation would, perhaps, better express the idea: "For you will yet say, Why did we persecute him? The root of the matter was found in him - and since this will be the case, fear now that justice will overtake you for it, for vengeance will not always slumber when a friend of God is wronged."
Seeing the root of the matter - Margin, "and" what "root of matter is found in me." The word rendered "matter" (דבר dâbâr), "word or thing." means, properly, word or thing - and may refer to "any" thing. Here it is used in one of the two opposite senses, "piety" or "guilt" - as being "the thing" under consideration. The interpretation to be adopted must depend on the view taken of the other words of the sentence. To me it seems that it denotes piety, and that the idea is, that the root of true piety was in him, or that he was not a hypocrite. The word root is so common as to need no explanation. It is used sometimes to denote the "bottom," or the lowest part of anything - as e. g., the foot (see Job 13:27, "margin"), the bottom of the mountains Job 28:9, or of the sea, Job 36:30, "margin." Here it means the foundation, support, or source - as the root is of a tree; and the sense, I suppose, is, that he was not a dead trunk, but he was like a tree that had a root, and consequently support and life. Many critics, however, among whom is Gesenius, suppose that it means that the root of the controversy, that is, the ground of strife, was in "him," or that he was the cause of the whole dispute.
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Peace to you again enoch. I do not have much to say besides Jesus and adam did not have the same soul. My reasoning starts with the original sin, which did not bear a mark on Jesus. Also adam was not born of a woman, but a woman made him born of the flesh. In adam's case, a woman conceives the adam of sin, the first man of the flesh to procreate by the deed of sinning with eve. Mary was conceived without sin, gave birth without sin, and bore a Man, free of original sin. Mary gave us the Word of God, while eve put us to slavery. Adam gave in to tamarin of the only sin, and Christ is sinless.
Adam is the representation of our coming into the flesh, our alliance with sin.
Christ is our representation of leaving sin, being born again, and choosing to live as God wants us to live.
Jesus is the representation of what Adam SHOULD have been.
The OT is man's descent into sin, and the NT is our ascent out and toward Life.
Enoch, it seems to me you are chasing shadows, nonetheless, peace to you.edit on 7-10-2012 by backcase because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by EnochWasRight_javascript:hyperlink()
Peace to you enoch, I will give you the main thought of what I said.
adam, and all who are born of man, have the stain of the original sin. Mary was born to a barren mother therefore, a mirical child born by God's grace. She was without stain, and is called the NEW Eve. Jesus also being born without sin makes Him the NEW Adam. Their souls are not shared.
Jesus represents what man would have been if not for the Sin, adam represents the souls of all men who, being &ll stained with the OS, are all sinners. There is no reincarnation, but only incarnation.
Peace to you
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Peace to you again, but you didn't really get what I was saying. Adam and Jesus do not share souls, but Jesus resembles what adam was before the sin.
The conclusion of the narrative is that while man changes and may be unfaithful, God does not change and He remains faithful.
As Gentiles failed to keep the natural law, so Jews failed to keep the Law of Moses. In summary, all are sinners before God. Verse 23 tells us that even if we should keep the Law, we would still fall short of the Glory of God, for we would still die and need salvation. The Lord Jesus Christ alone lived in complete righteousness. He alone was resurrected to the Eternal Life. Concluding that only through the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the way to God Himself (also John 14:6).
Justification by faith is a complex topic. As Christians, we are no longer under the auspices of the Old Testament Law as written in the Holy Book of Romans 3:20 because the Lord Jesus Christ has fulfilled the Law (Galatians 2:21). By the mercy of God, we are brought into a New Covenant relationship with Him. Through this mercy we are justified by faith and EMPOWERED by God for good works which bring glory to His Holy Name. SUSCopts.org