Outrageous! Senate just voted overwhelmingly against stopping foreign aid. 81-10, page 7

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reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 01:27 PM by SeventhSeal

I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.

Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.

I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.

How does the saying go?

Health care; not warfare.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 01:29 PM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by longlostbrother
And after all your ranting about traitors and bleeding out it better be pretty conclusive.

1 - LIAR .. I never 'ranted' and I never said anything about anyone being a 'traitor'.
2 - We are bleeding out. 16 trillion in debt. That's a reality beyond conclusive.
3 - You are just being obtuse.

OUT

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 01:41 PM by Merinda

Usually foreign "aid" serves US interests in countrties like Korea, Israel etc. . Why would they cut off their own tentacles? The hand that gives is above the hand that takes.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 01:44 PM by ldyserenity

reply to post by eLPresidente

oops thought they voted for ending the foreign aid oops

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reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 03:31 PM by Flint2011

reply to post by eLPresidente

This is of no surprise to me at all. I mean, come on folks. Think about it. 90% of our Senate are already bought and payed for. As far as they are concerned, International Aid is needed with regard to our foreign policies, natural resource interests, political interests and economical interests abroad. It's equivalent to an international bribery scheme essentially.

If people are shocked then they are still asleep at the wheel. Stop voting these corrupt idiots into office. Start backing people who are not apart of the inner circle. Start propping up true leaders in your communities who are willing to make a run for it. It may not always work but it's better than laying down and taking it in the backend.

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reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 03:49 PM by Jeremiah65

At least Rand has made a step toward redemption for supporting the "big fail". It's a start I guess. IF we are not going to stop the foreign aid, then we need to demand a little more "cooperation"...aka...when we say jump bishes...you say "How High Sir?"

I have been saying it for over a year....it's time to remove ALL incumbents and replace them with "anything but"...isn't that some folks position on the Presidency? Anyone but Obama?...then you need to apply that same wisdom to the House and Senate...if you are there, right now, today...you need to be gone asap...period.

The next thing we need to do is Petition the Government for term limits on Congress. No one in the House or Senate should be able to serve longer than a President...the corruption that builds under these "career" politicians (aka money takers) is astounding...no more than two terms...period.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 03:51 PM by Bugger

reply to post by Grumble

There is no difference between Miliary spemding and foreign aid. The Peace Corps is a lomg-held fallacy, face it, the CIA controls the $'s.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 04:13 PM by longlostbrother

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by longlostbrother
And after all your ranting about traitors and bleeding out it better be pretty conclusive.

1 - LIAR .. I never 'ranted' and I never said anything about anyone being a 'traitor'.
2 - We are bleeding out. 16 trillion in debt. That's a reality beyond conclusive.
3 - You are just being obtuse.

OUT

1. I've seen you rant... and I'll present as much evidence as you have for your assertions... you were however not the traitor caller... my mistake.. that was your fellow, "end all foreign aid" buddies...
2. We are NOT bleeding out BECAUSE of foreign aid... I have made that distinction very clearly...
3. I am not... you're just refusing to back up any of your wild claims with evidence...

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 04:50 PM by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.

Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.

I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.

How does the saying go?

Health care; not warfare.

So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 04:58 PM by eLPresidente

Originally posted by jcarpenter

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Its as if Rand Paul is fighting these traitors almost single-handedly...

Wasn't it Rand Paul that voted against GMO labeling just a short time ago? Who was he working for then? Tell me all about this lone warrior for the people.

It'll do precious little good to cut foreign aid when our freakin' food supply is being poisoned.

This is not even an issue, in the libertarian world of small government and little to no government intervention there are arguments of voluntary nature that the free market will produce non-gmo labeled products if the people vote with their dollar.

I'm currently yes on GMO labeling here in California but I'm slowly leaning towards NO because I have seen first hand products I never thought would be labeled NON-GMO to actually carry those labels, which essentially means the free market is working. It is not an easy decision. Not even Ron Paul supports labeling.

It takes a different type of mentality to understand the reasoning behind the other side, and no, its not the Monstanto side, if thats what anybody is implying.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 04:59 PM by eLPresidente

reply to post by whisperindave

Thanks for sharing your opinion. If you have facts or evidence for all of those assumptions and accusations, you are welcome to present them.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 05:04 PM by eLPresidente

reply to post by RealSpoke

Thats quite interesting that your solution is to get people like Kucinich elected yet I hear nothing from you about him being squeezed out of his district. Where are the candidates LIKE Kucinich and Keyes? Kucinich is unfortunately done so where are the alternatives? You said elect candidates like them, WHO!? Do you even know? or just trust the democratic establishment to choose candidates for you? I'd like to know. You want to throw out all the tea partiers but want more democrats? look who is stuck in the two party paradigm. Keep fighting the other head of the beast, see where that gets you.

I never ever said I supported Cruz, I use him as an example of Ron Paul's influence. Ron Paul was the first major name to endorse him, before anybody else jumped on the bandwagon. I don't support Cruz's property rights position and I certainly don't appreciate the fact that any Goldman Sachs employee donated to him.

So your accusation is that Ron Paul is a scam artist and a Koch minion? you are indeed very ignorant for trying to imply such a thing.

And the links you provided as some sort of 'back up', I fact checked it and read the entire thing, it is a letter with his name on the bottom that is essentially saying he is fighting hard to spread free market principles and to get a fair/flat tax going. Ron Paul took a position as chairman of CSE to advocate free market principles and a flat tax in 1984, that is your 'irrefutable proof' that Ron Paul is a koch minion and a scam artist? Seriously!?

In your video, it states that the 'final nail in the coffin' is that Ron Paul defended Scott Walker, which is connected to the Koch Brothers. Ron Paul defended Walkers' actions regarding unions. That is nowhere near 'nail int he coffin' confirmation of anything you or anybody else accused him of.

If Ron Paul is Koch Minion, why does Dick Armie, head of Freedomworks, and a Koch talking head HATE Ron Paul? He hates on RP about as much as you do. You two have more in common than Ron Paul does with the Koch brothers. lol!

Let's take a look at the Koch Brothers' net worth in 1984 when they started CSE.
pjparlapiano.blogspot.com...

And if Ron Paul is a Koch minion, like you soooo claim, where were the Koch's during his presidential campaign(s)? lmao. just stop.

You don't stand a chance against the consistency of Ron Paul, many have tried, all have failed, and failed miserably.

How about we talk about the topic at hand instead of throwing out all of these sniveling comments?

Do you agree that foreign aid should have stipulations from the beneficiary government to PROTECT our embassies? or don't you?

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reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 05:12 PM by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by eLPresidente

They would rather spend our money on foreigners than Americans here at home, ...and God knows we need it here!

The idea is to spend $10 to prevent a war that would cost $100. Thats the cold calculus at work here.

The idea is to give foreign aid to these nations but at the VERY LEAST receive protection of our embassies. If not, WHY are we giving foreign aid to nations that are not willing to protect our embassies.

I do believe that was Rand's point.

It doesn't make it any better that some of the people that do receive this money only use it for themselves and not their people. After all, that is what many of those against Rand Paul in this thread are saying...that the money is actually to help people.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 05:52 PM by Gridrebel

Rand Paul doesn't have to fight this alone. NOW is the time to make a clear and decided vote against this. VOTE OUT EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR IT. MAKE IT CLEAR WHY. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PARTY AFFILIATION. LET'S MAKE THE STATEMENT NOW AND VOTE THEM ALL OUT. WE CAN DO IT. This is where it can start. Forget OWS. Hit them where it counts. IN THIER POLITICAL STATUS. All of you who claim the two party sucks, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ALL OF YOU WHO CLAIM YOU HATE THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM......don't vote them in again.....no matter what. WE CAN DO THIS! Can we all come together on this? Pleeeeeaaaaazze. This is such an opportune time to show our strength. Today ...aid reversal, tomorrow Monsanto, next week??????? who knows. This is how you do it!!!!!!

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 06:16 PM by Newbomb Turk

yea don't worry folks, the federal reserve now buys up 40 billion dollars worth of mortgage bonds every month, FOREVER. & that takes care of everything!
edit on 21-9-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

Yes and in addition to continuing provide "Foreign Aid" (not to mention numerous other insane practices) is all just a continued means to an end. Ask yourselves..seriously ask yourselves WHY in the world is all of this going on. I know many of you already know the answer and some our frightened by it and instead just choose to be outraged at each individual occurrence of some treasonous act.

What we see happening before our very eyes is the continued largest transfer of wealth in the worlds history (which is BOTH why they continue to send off desperately needed money at home AND the fed buying up mortgages). To actually to be able to own property is the first and primary step to building WEALTH. THIS IS ALL AGENDA 21 FOLKS. It began back in 1992 with Bush 1 and began being implemented under Clintin with NAFTA (remember how glorious that was supposed to be for all Americans?). And in this final stage it is all about the ENVIRONMENT, that is why everything is all about GREEN, being GREEN, going GREEN.

Folks we are merely reacting to the many layers that are required to finally implement AGENDA 21, and cement the NWO into place controlling our each and every move, thought, and emotion. It saddens me deeply to say this but no amount of calling, writing, peaceful protesting against this or that senator/congressmen will change a damn thing. The ENTIRE GAME IS RIGGED. They blatantly showed us that at the RNC with the teleprompter thing. The illusion of having a choice between left/right is just that, an ILLUSION. Only a mass armed revolt will fix the mess that this country/world is in right now, and that option is also quickly fading.

Just my .02

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 06:29 PM by Gridrebel

Besides the fact we are donating borrowed money:

bigthink.com...

William Easterly: You know the money sort of leaks out all along the chain that starts in Washington and New York with the United Nations, or the World Bank, or other official aid agencies, and it gets sort of lost all along the way. Because on the part of the rich country public, they’re mainly concerned with how much aid money is spent and then they’re satisfied. “Well we spent 2.3 trillion to help the world’s poor, so our job is done.” And they’re pretty much not paying attention after the money is spent. So with a long chain of officials in charge of the money with no one looking over their shoulder to see how they’re spending it, there’s plenty of ways that it leaks. It leaks into expensive salaries for the people working at headquarters like me. I have to admit I was one of those who benefited from this gravy train. There’s all the administrative costs in which huge amounts of money are wasted of the official aid agencies. The World Bank has a budget of one billion dollars to help the world’s poor, even though it only disperses about seven billion dollars in aid to help the world’s poor. It has an administrative budget of one billion dollars. Then the money is given to the government in the poor country, and then the money there either gets dissipated in an ineffective bureaucracy where it’s just paying the salaries of unmotivated civil servants who have no incentive to help the poor. Or it’s outright stolen through corrupt officials. There’s an estimate that something like 40 to 60 percent of drugs meant for health clinics in West Africa get stolen before they ever reach the clinics, and get sold on the free market . . . on the black market. So that’s where the money disappears. And then at the end of the day, unfortunately nobody seems to care. That’s the tragedy that breaks my heart over and over again – that no one cares that this money is not actually reaching the most desperate people in the world for whom it is intended...

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reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 07:18 PM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by eLPresidente

They would rather spend our money on foreigners than Americans here at home, ...and God knows we need it here!

The idea is to spend $10 to prevent a war that would cost $100. Thats the cold calculus at work here.

The idea is to give foreign aid to these nations but at the VERY LEAST receive protection of our embassies. If not, WHY are we giving foreign aid to nations that are not willing to protect our embassies.

I do believe that was Rand's point.

It doesn't make it any better that some of the people that do receive this money only use it for themselves and not their people. After all, that is what many of those against Rand Paul in this thread are saying...that the money is actually to help people.

Actually, we don't give FA to protect embassys. the government in question is required to protect embassys of any and all nations, even those they don't get along with. This doesn't require bribe money..to not allow embassys, or not protect them, means you do not want to do business with them at all. The successful attack is a failure on their police and every nation on earth should see any embassy attacked as a very bad thing by any nation...

The bribe money to egypt is a "don't be twats and don't attack israel" fund that, like it or not, has been established for ages now. But even if we didn't give them a single penny, they still are required by law and arguably honor of their country to protect embassys.

The money is not necessarily to help people...might seem that way to joe public whom doesn't understand the complexities..but its simply bribery money.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 07:25 PM by Anthropotita

The senate is voting on this in interest for the Central government to keep power and international influence, it doesn't matter if a few hundred people call or email them. The only way to fix the problem is to terminate it, not to alter it. Rand Paul is doing a great job but he should have gathered a big public interest before hand to influence the vote.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 07:46 PM by JiggyPotamus

Wow. This is absolutely disgusting. None of those who voted against this deserve to hold office and represent the American people. If it were put to a popular vote, we know what the outcome would be. And this raises a larger problem with our political system...Citizens vote these people into office with the understanding that they will have their interests represented, but congress is constantly voting against the will of the people, in favor of corporate interests, among other things.

On these grounds they should be tried for treason in my opinion, for they have gone rogue, no longer doing the job the way they said they were going to do it when campaigning. All we can hope for is that these traitors do not get re-elected, which is sad considering they should be punished much more harshly than simply losing an election.

reply posted on 23-9-2012 @ 09:12 PM by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.

Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.

I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.

How does the saying go?

Health care; not warfare.

So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.