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Originally posted by longlostbrother
And after all your ranting about traitors and bleeding out it better be pretty conclusive.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by longlostbrother
And after all your ranting about traitors and bleeding out it better be pretty conclusive.
1 - LIAR .. I never 'ranted' and I never said anything about anyone being a 'traitor'.
2 - We are bleeding out. 16 trillion in debt. That's a reality beyond conclusive.
3 - You are just being obtuse.
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.
Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.
I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.
How does the saying go?
Health care; not warfare.
Originally posted by jcarpenter
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Its as if Rand Paul is fighting these traitors almost single-handedly...
Wasn't it Rand Paul that voted against GMO labeling just a short time ago? Who was he working for then? Tell me all about this lone warrior for the people.
It'll do precious little good to cut foreign aid when our freakin' food supply is being poisoned.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by eLPresidente
They would rather spend our money on foreigners than Americans here at home, ...and God knows we need it here!
The idea is to spend $10 to prevent a war that would cost $100. Thats the cold calculus at work here.
yea don't worry folks, the federal reserve now buys up 40 billion dollars worth of mortgage bonds every month, FOREVER. & that takes care of everything!edit on 21-9-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)
William Easterly: You know the money sort of leaks out all along the chain that starts in Washington and New York with the United Nations, or the World Bank, or other official aid agencies, and it gets sort of lost all along the way. Because on the part of the rich country public, they’re mainly concerned with how much aid money is spent and then they’re satisfied. “Well we spent 2.3 trillion to help the world’s poor, so our job is done.” And they’re pretty much not paying attention after the money is spent. So with a long chain of officials in charge of the money with no one looking over their shoulder to see how they’re spending it, there’s plenty of ways that it leaks. It leaks into expensive salaries for the people working at headquarters like me. I have to admit I was one of those who benefited from this gravy train. There’s all the administrative costs in which huge amounts of money are wasted of the official aid agencies. The World Bank has a budget of one billion dollars to help the world’s poor, even though it only disperses about seven billion dollars in aid to help the world’s poor. It has an administrative budget of one billion dollars. Then the money is given to the government in the poor country, and then the money there either gets dissipated in an ineffective bureaucracy where it’s just paying the salaries of unmotivated civil servants who have no incentive to help the poor. Or it’s outright stolen through corrupt officials. There’s an estimate that something like 40 to 60 percent of drugs meant for health clinics in West Africa get stolen before they ever reach the clinics, and get sold on the free market . . . on the black market. So that’s where the money disappears. And then at the end of the day, unfortunately nobody seems to care. That’s the tragedy that breaks my heart over and over again – that no one cares that this money is not actually reaching the most desperate people in the world for whom it is intended...
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by eLPresidente
They would rather spend our money on foreigners than Americans here at home, ...and God knows we need it here!
The idea is to spend $10 to prevent a war that would cost $100. Thats the cold calculus at work here.
The idea is to give foreign aid to these nations but at the VERY LEAST receive protection of our embassies. If not, WHY are we giving foreign aid to nations that are not willing to protect our embassies.
I do believe that was Rand's point.
It doesn't make it any better that some of the people that do receive this money only use it for themselves and not their people. After all, that is what many of those against Rand Paul in this thread are saying...that the money is actually to help people.
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.
Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.
I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.
How does the saying go?
Health care; not warfare.
So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.