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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by macaronicaesar
I can't believe this. Senator Rand brought tears to my eyes. He is telling the 100% truth and was unanimously voted against. We're in trouble, big trouble. They don't give a damn about the will of the people. This is very frightening. Not that I am surprised, but how do we stop it? Can we? I don't think so, but I would like to hear suggestions.
Rand is a true statesmen. Him supporting Romney made me ill, but I understand the politics he has to play, he's on our side just like his father. I'm very disappointed with this bill being shot down 81-10. America is a in downward spiral to oblivion.
How do you understand his stance on Romney.
Ron and Rand need to switch parties. Their social outlooks are almost all very liberal..the only aspect of republicanism is the fiscal conservatism, but on record, republicans only pay lip service to that, but go the opposite way..moreso than the Dems.
They would have greater headway bringing classic liberalism back to their roots than try to knock sense into the current GOP.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by RussianScientists
America can't just stop giving aid to other countries, especially when they need help after a disaster has occurred, or when an opposing nation attacks or threatens their nations; especially when most of them have been willing to go along with the American petro dollar which is not backed by anything and the presses are running faster every year.
Entirely agreed. I'm personally sick about sending Cairo a Billion and more in aid and much of that, military aid. However, obligations are what they are and much of it is NOT military aid too, like you say.
We DO need to drop or cut foreign aid in my view. It's our long term survival at stake. Not like this though....and Rand has the same foot in mouth disease as his Father. Go for the comically extreme, KNOWING it has 0 chance of happening, just to make a screaming public statement.
Well... All things being equal, I expect that in the House. I don't in the Senate. They're supposed to be considering and thoughtful ones of the two and giving some thought to their actions.....this was definitely not. If the U.S. just outright closes the accounts and shuts off aid outright, wars will start within days. It's crazy extreme to solve a REAL problem....and making public points this way sucks, IMO.
Originally posted by macaronicaesar
The fiscal conservatives that the party was founded on. Not the neocon, warhawks and bible belt that have hijacked the party. Non interventionism use to be the way.
Originally posted by macaronicaesar
Maybe you're confused, actually you most definitely are. The bill was to put restrictions on how that money could be spent, not close all accounts and bla bla bla.
Leave the hyperbole for Obama/Romney, it doesn't suit you well.
(a) Prohibition- No amounts may be obligated or expended to provide any direct United States assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to a Government described under subsection(b).
(b) Covered Governments- The Governments referred to in subsection (a) are as follows:
(1) The Government of Libya.
(2) The Government of Egypt.
(3) The Government of Pakistan.
(4) The Government of a host country of a United States diplomatic facility on the list submitted to Congress
Source - Thomas.loc.gov Full text
(e) Request to Suspend Prohibition on Foreign Assistance-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided under paragraph (2), upon submitting a certification under subsection (d) with respect to a Government described under subsection (b), the President may submit a request to Congress to suspend the prohibition on foreign assistance to the Government.
(2) PAKISTAN- No request under paragraph (1) may be submitted with respect to the Government of Pakistan until--
(A) Dr. Shakil Afridi has been released alive from prison in Pakistan;
(B) any criminal charges brought against Dr. Afridi, including treason, have been dropped; and
(C) if necessary to ensure his freedom, Dr. Afridi has been allowed to leave Pakistan alive.
(f) Expedited Consideration of Presidential Request-
Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by eLPresidente
Wrong. You can't live in an isolated world. Foreign aid is a must. The Ron Paul idiocy is just that ... idiocy.
At this summer’s fifth Conference of the Forum on Africa-China Cooperation, the red dragon pledged $20 billion of new aid to the developing continent. That is more than spare change.
The Chinese commitment is symbolic of the dramatic paradigm shift taking place in foreign aid in the past decade. The BRICS economies — Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa — are lending to countries that for decades relied on the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development-Development Assistance Committee (OECD-DAC), a group of Western and like-minded states commonly referred to as traditional donors. Increasingly, aid is emanating not only from the BRICS.
A second tier of emerging donors — South Korea, Venezuela, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, to name a few — also are playing a more prominent role in foreign aid. While the figures are hazy, a working paper by the Center for Global Development indicates that emerging powers contribute between $11 billion and $42 billion in aid each year. China, the largest emerging donor, gives out more money today than the World Bank, according to the Council on Foreign Relations‘ Elizabeth C. Economy. While the sheer volume is astounding, the reach of assistance also is expanding.
Ron Paul was and still is the godfather of the tea party and that is now taken over as a KOCH funded operation, I suppose you want to blame Ron Paul for that too?
Ted Cruz was endorsed by Paul long before any of the other tea party co-opting happened.
I like how you sit there and snivel at every little thing, I still haven't heard any real alternatives from you, even though I asked you in another thread. Everybody has something to say until that something is an actual solution.