Outrageous! Senate just voted overwhelmingly against stopping foreign aid. 81-10

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.

Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.

I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.

How does the saying go?

Health care; not warfare.


So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.



Because I don't believe in the GOP's values.
edit on 23-9-2012 by SeventhSeal because: (no reason given)


Yea but that is also Republican rhetoric.

Your answer to my question is a similar analogy to my question to Republicans.

Why do you support Romney?

Typical Republican : Because.......anybody BUT Obama.

I also think its important to address the issues at hand, to me its not as much as left vs right as it is about those who are inside the circle vs those are not.




posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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I think that's an absurd tit for tat... in many cases the country can't even feed or protect it's people - you're saying, "we won't help you unless you have the resources to prevent any and all bad things happening to our embassy in your country.. if something bad does happen to our embassy will withdraw all food aid".

That's not even vaguely rational.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.

Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.

I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.

How does the saying go?

Health care; not warfare.


So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.



Because I don't believe in the GOP's values.
edit on 23-9-2012 by SeventhSeal because: (no reason given)


Yea but that is also Republican rhetoric.

Your answer to my question is a similar analogy to my question to Republicans.

Why do you support Romney?

Typical Republican : Because.......anybody BUT Obama.

I also think its important to address the issues at hand, to me its not as much as left vs right as it is about those who are inside the circle vs those are not.


You're right to a certain degree. If anything, I wish there were 3rd party candidates being recognized in this year's presidential race (especially Jill Stein). But, like I said, I don't believe in GOP values. That's tremendously different than a Republican voter saying "anyone but Obama."


Sorry, but I am a Democrat and proud to be one.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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Thats quite interesting that your solution is to get people like Kucinich elected yet I hear nothing from you about him being squeezed out of his district.


I've complained about it multiple times on here.....




look who is stuck in the two party paradigm. Keep fighting the other head of the beast, see where that gets you.
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lol? Yeah the lines blur on somethings between the two parties, but there is a difference. You're trying to tell me that Michelle Bachman votes the same as Dennis Kucinich? I don't mind normal republicans, but Tea Partiers are right wing extremists and they got to go.


I never ever said I supported Cruz, I use him as an example of Ron Paul's influence


Good, so you so you admit that RP has a negative influence.


So your accusation is that Ron Paul is a scam artist and a Koch minion? you are indeed very ignorant for trying to imply such a thing


Blind Obamas supporters say the same thing to me, it's called being part of a personality cult. Snap out of it.





Do you agree that foreign aid should have stipulations from the beneficiary government to PROTECT our embassies? or don't you?


YES



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by littled16
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I wonder how many homeless people these senators drove past on their way to vote this bill down? How many of them could have been helped by voting to keep our tax dollars at home? It's just sad!



What is sadder is that even if our tax dollars were kept here at home, all the right-wingers in Congress would vote to prevent any of it to be used for aid for homeless and poor here in the US - because they think they're all "moochers" and don't deserve to be taken care of by government. Gotta make sure they earn anything they get, all the while handing our hard earned cash to foreigners as fast as they can.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Also a pretty massive Kucinich supporter, but he's like Paul, no chance in hell at winning the Presidency...

The entire US system, first past the post, two party mess, is the problem.. it allows power to be easily controlled by a small number of people, and those people are, for pretty obvious reasons, beholden to the big businesses and special interests that fund their endless campaigns.

You know how long the Presidential campaign is in Ireland and the UK? Weeks. You know how many parties how seats in the UK and Ireland? Well, a lot...

en.wikipedia.org...

This prevents, to a degree, the kind of power concentration the US has. That prevents a lot of corruption.

Until the US addresses these real problems and adopts something like proportional representation, this will continue.

[shhh... don't tell anyone, but... The REAL secret is that there's NO system that can successfully be used to manage and provide for hundreds of millions of people... the US should be broken up into more manageable chunks... but don't tell anyone]



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by flashtrum
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I just called my Senator's office asking for an explanation. The recording says "all calls will be returned". We'll see. I've written my Rep and he's not once acknowledged me. He's not getting my vote in November even though I happen to agree with a lot of what he stands for.

I guess I'm not really shocked. Because really we pay a fraction of the income of our congressmen. Most of what they make is in the form of gifts (vacations, golf outings, expensive dinners) and tips on stocks and so forth. Ever wonder why these cats are worth so much more money when they get out of office? It's not because they were REALLY lucky with how they spent that 200K per year.

How can we take this republic back? I'm voting for whoever is NOT in office. I don't care what their party affiliation is. Thank God there is an independent running for Senator in my state. He's getting my vote. If you are a conservative rep I am voting against you. If you are a liberal senator, same deal.

The founding fathers never intended for these to be careers. You were suppose to run and if you won leave your farm or whatever for your term, server your country HONORABLY, and go back home. Why CAN'T we have term limits? 1 six year term for president. One 2-3 year term for a rep. One 4 year term as a Senator. THAT'S IT. You take one chip, you dip it, and that's it. No double dipping (thanks, Sienfeld!).

That Charlie Rangel still is allowed to vote for policies that impact all of us should make us all want to vomit. But there he is, shufflin and smilin like he has not a care in the world even though he's a freaking crook. Now I'm all worked up.


Update - 24 hours and not a word from either of my senators. I guess I'm not that important to them.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Not surprised you didn't respond to about 90% of my post, especially the points directly contradicting your wild accusations. But of course your strongest argument is that I am like an Obama supporter.

Your original links to back up your accusations were dissected and you have nothing else.

No, I never said Ron Paul has negative influence, YOU said that. Let the record show, you bend and twist things here on ATS because you have no better argument. Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons. This is why people on the hill want Ron Paul's endorsement.

I love how you're backtracking all over the place because you can't hold your 'wild accusations' at bay. If you're going to claim crazy things, at least hold your ground with dignity.

And I hope you take Adam Kokesh with a grain of salt, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I even know when Adam is B.S.'ing. lmao.
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posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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I never get calls back from Boxer/Feinstein either...I don't think they are obligated to call us back, maybe less you specifically ask for it. If you email them, they might respond...

These guys don't really care.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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RP is a passive Koch minion. He's believes in all things their horrible think tank stands for, hence the letter. There is a reason the Kochs take these positions, because it will do everything to help them and hurt the little guy. Though I doubt RP will help them in their fascist endeavors so he's not an active minion.


Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons.


Yup, the personality cult wagon.


And I hope you take Adam Kokesh with a grain of salt, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I even know when Adam is B.S.'ing


lol, of course I do..he's an anarcho- capitalist.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by eLPresidente
 


RP is a passive Koch minion. He's believes in all things their horrible think tank stands for, hence the letter. There is a reason the Kochs take these positions, because it will do everything to help them and hurt the little guy. Though I doubt RP will help them in their fascist endeavors so he's not an active minion.


Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons.


Yup, the personality cult wagon.


And I hope you take Adam Kokesh with a grain of salt, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I even know when Adam is B.S.'ing


lol, of course I do..he's an anarcho- capitalist.


Come back when you have something of substance to say. You have failed, twice, to counter my complete dissection of your wild accusations. If all you can do is call names, why bother coming back?

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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 02:56 AM
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Ron Paul was chairman for a KOCH thinktank, citizens for a sound economy

www.lib.ku.edu...

How did I fail?

If I were chairman of an Obama thinktank, would that not make me an Obama minion?

He's a BilderBerg minion too

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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Ron Paul was chairman for a KOCH thinktank, citizens for a sound economy

www.lib.ku.edu...

How did I fail?

If I were chairman of an Obama thinktank, would that not make me an Obama minion?

He's a BilderBerg minion too

edit on 25-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)


It was dissected many posts ago. Which you conveniently ignored....CONVENIENTLY.

It is quite funny how you have absolutely nothing on Ron Paul's consistency and career so you have to dig dig dig into the past and make connections that don't exist.

So here it is folks, Realspoke, the sayer of truths has it all figured out. Ron Paul is a Koch Brothers and Bilderberg minion.
Don't you ever get tired of making things up. I see your fate might end up just like other Ron Paul trolls like Carseller4, Outkast Searcher, and the like.

Whats next? Ron Paul is a libertarian communist!? lmao!
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Ron Paul was chairman for a KOCH thinktank, citizens for a sound economy

www.lib.ku.edu...

How did I fail?

If I were chairman of an Obama thinktank, would that not make me an Obama minion?

He's a BilderBerg minion too

edit on 25-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)


It was dissected many posts ago. Which you conveniently ignored....CONVENIENTLY.

It is quite funny how you have absolutely nothing on Ron Paul's consistency and career so you have to dig dig dig into the past and make connections that don't exist.

So here it is folks, Realspoke, the sayer of truths has it all figured out. Ron Paul is a Koch Brothers and Bilderberg minion.
Don't you ever get tired of making things up. I see your fate might end up just like other Ron Paul trolls like Carseller4, Outkast Searcher, and the like.

Whats next? Ron Paul is a libertarian communist!? lmao!
edit on 25-9-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)


Umm... well I certainly do...

he changed a lot of his positions since his Libertarian run for President, when he was for defunding public education, for example... basically, go compare the Libertarian Party platform to his current beliefs, where they don't match, he's changed a position... more or less...
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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I believe that the goverment like the senate and house should have its on set of channels that should be avalible on everone's tv plan. No one should have to play extra to watch over there own goverment.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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petition to stop US Foreign aid to countries that support radical causes...

ACLJ.org petition link



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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I'm not making anything up. All you did was make excuses for him...that does not change reality.

Ron Paul was the chairman of a Koch Bros thinktank
Ron Paul had millions of dollars of donations by Peter Theil, Bilderberg steering committee member.

Why cant you put 2+2 together? If the Kochs and Bilderbergers think RPs ideas are good, maybe they aren't gonna be good for me?



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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It is OBVIOUS how much you despise the consistency of Ron Paul, you have absolutely nothing on the guy so you sling mud. That much is obvious, you spend your time on ATS OBSESSING on everything Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and even the ideas of the party that they align closest to. You forgot? your obsessive behavior trying to discredit libertarianism by calling it anarchism? You don't hide your intentions well.

& you're forcing me to re-post this following post. Nothing you provided has any actual evidence that Ron Paul is a 'minion' for anybody and you know that, it is why you dodge and CONVENIENTLY ignore going back to refute my points with evidence, all you do is continually CHANT about Ron Paul being a minion.

I love when people (in this case, Realspoke) post those 'nail in the coffin'/'irrefutable truth' videos and they just backfire.


Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by RealSpoke
 


Not surprised you didn't respond to about 90% of my post, especially the points directly contradicting your wild accusations. But of course your strongest argument is that I am like an Obama supporter.

Your original links to back up your accusations were dissected and you have nothing else.

No, I never said Ron Paul has negative influence, YOU said that. Let the record show, you bend and twist things here on ATS because you have no better argument. Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons. This is why people on the hill want Ron Paul's endorsement.

I love how you're backtracking all over the place because you can't hold your 'wild accusations' at bay. If you're going to claim crazy things, at least hold your ground with dignity.


Oh and by the way, Peter Thiel is a long time libertarian. Of course, he donated to PAC because he knew that it would force Ron Paul to carry out minion-like orders for the Bilderberg.


Do you have NOTHING else? Gonna pull the silly video back? Going to post the link to Ron Paul's letter talking about flat taxes and free market principles?
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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It is OBVIOUS how much you despise the consistency of Ron Paul,


What consistency?

Claiming to be for freedom yet voting against gay marriage because his Christian beliefs got in the way?
Claiming to be for states rights yet co-sponors a bill to ban abortion on the federal level?
Claiming to be a constitutionalist but wants to privatize the postal service?
Claiming to be against earmarks yet requesting them?


your obsessive behavior trying to discredit libertarianism by calling it anarchism?

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How does that even discredit it? And it does mean anarchism, any leftist agrees with me. I'm sorry you don't like to hear facts... I wouldn't really call it an obsession either, I said it in maybe 3 threads.


you spend your time on ATS OBSESSING on everything Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and even the ideas of the party that they align closest to.


That's why 99% of my posts have nothing to do with rp or libertarians lol


Nothing you provided has any actual evidence that Ron Paul is a 'minion' for anybody and you know that,


lol. do you prefer the word political ally instead of minion? Same difference


Oh and by the way, Peter Thiel is a long time libertarian.


No hes not, he pretends to be a Libertarian like the Koch brothers. He's gotten rich via government sponsorship.


Thiel claims to be Libertarian, yet thinks that women having the ability to vote is a bad thing. I guess individual liberties only matter if you're male.


Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.


He thinks the US constitution is a failure


Sonia Arrison, the author of “100 Plus,” a book on research into life extension, first met Thiel in 2003, when she heard him give a lunch talk about the failure of the U.S. Constitution.


www.newyorker.com...


Thiel founded Palantir Technologies funded by the CIA's venture capital arm In-Q-Tel.[33]



Palantir Technologies, that profits from government espionage work for the CIA, FBI and other agencies, and which last year was caught organizing an illegal spy ring targeting American political opponents of the US Chamber of Commerce, including journalists, progressive activists and union leaders. (Palantir takes its name from the mystic stones used by characters in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings to spy one another.)


www.thenation.com...

I think it's YOU who needs to do the reading, especially if you think that someone who is in the Bilderberg group is on your side.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Grumble
Foreign aid pays for itself a thousand times over, unlike military spending, which just puts us deeper in a hole.


If foreign aid paid for itself, or even aided anyone, why is there still poverty in the foreign nations we've funded for decades?

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RealSpoke, you have been a perpetual conundrum to me since you started posting here, as you have ideas that seem to contradict each other. But I think I've finally got you figured out:

You hate everyone.


/TOA
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