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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.
Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.
I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.
How does the saying go?
Health care; not warfare.
So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.
Because I don't believe in the GOP's values.
edit on 23-9-2012 by SeventhSeal because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I can't stand Rand Paul but I applaud him on attempting to end foreign aid. As a Democrat, I believe in Health Care for ALL citizens. You're an American? It's your right to basic health care needs.
Republicans would argue that it's "socialism" or we can't afford such a thing. How about this? They want to sit there and bitch about spending? End sending BILLIONS of OUR dollars OVERSEAS to aid dictators in oppressing their people. While we're at it, CLOSE the U.S. bases we have around the globe that's also leaving an excessive amount of debt in our economy.
I know some folks (both liberals and conservatives) hate to hear that war or our foreign policy contributed to our economic mess, but has and continues to do so.
How does the saying go?
Health care; not warfare.
So my question would be, why are you a democrat? all of the democratic senators voted for it. Sorry to break it to you but the democrat party is a scam. That is not to say that the Republican party isn't either.
Because I don't believe in the GOP's values.
edit on 23-9-2012 by SeventhSeal because: (no reason given)
Yea but that is also Republican rhetoric.
Your answer to my question is a similar analogy to my question to Republicans.
Why do you support Romney?
Typical Republican : Because.......anybody BUT Obama.
I also think its important to address the issues at hand, to me its not as much as left vs right as it is about those who are inside the circle vs those are not.
Thats quite interesting that your solution is to get people like Kucinich elected yet I hear nothing from you about him being squeezed out of his district.
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look who is stuck in the two party paradigm. Keep fighting the other head of the beast, see where that gets you.
I never ever said I supported Cruz, I use him as an example of Ron Paul's influence
So your accusation is that Ron Paul is a scam artist and a Koch minion? you are indeed very ignorant for trying to imply such a thing
Do you agree that foreign aid should have stipulations from the beneficiary government to PROTECT our embassies? or don't you?
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by CynicalDrivel
I wonder how many homeless people these senators drove past on their way to vote this bill down? How many of them could have been helped by voting to keep our tax dollars at home? It's just sad!
Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by eLPresidente
I just called my Senator's office asking for an explanation. The recording says "all calls will be returned". We'll see. I've written my Rep and he's not once acknowledged me. He's not getting my vote in November even though I happen to agree with a lot of what he stands for.
I guess I'm not really shocked. Because really we pay a fraction of the income of our congressmen. Most of what they make is in the form of gifts (vacations, golf outings, expensive dinners) and tips on stocks and so forth. Ever wonder why these cats are worth so much more money when they get out of office? It's not because they were REALLY lucky with how they spent that 200K per year.
How can we take this republic back? I'm voting for whoever is NOT in office. I don't care what their party affiliation is. Thank God there is an independent running for Senator in my state. He's getting my vote. If you are a conservative rep I am voting against you. If you are a liberal senator, same deal.
The founding fathers never intended for these to be careers. You were suppose to run and if you won leave your farm or whatever for your term, server your country HONORABLY, and go back home. Why CAN'T we have term limits? 1 six year term for president. One 2-3 year term for a rep. One 4 year term as a Senator. THAT'S IT. You take one chip, you dip it, and that's it. No double dipping (thanks, Sienfeld!).
That Charlie Rangel still is allowed to vote for policies that impact all of us should make us all want to vomit. But there he is, shufflin and smilin like he has not a care in the world even though he's a freaking crook. Now I'm all worked up.
Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons.
And I hope you take Adam Kokesh with a grain of salt, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I even know when Adam is B.S.'ing
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by eLPresidente
RP is a passive Koch minion. He's believes in all things their horrible think tank stands for, hence the letter. There is a reason the Kochs take these positions, because it will do everything to help them and hurt the little guy. Though I doubt RP will help them in their fascist endeavors so he's not an active minion.
Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons.
Yup, the personality cult wagon.
And I hope you take Adam Kokesh with a grain of salt, I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I even know when Adam is B.S.'ing
lol, of course I do..he's an anarcho- capitalist.
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by eLPresidente
Ron Paul was chairman for a KOCH thinktank, citizens for a sound economy
www.lib.ku.edu...
How did I fail?
If I were chairman of an Obama thinktank, would that not make me an Obama minion?
He's a BilderBerg minion too
edit on 25-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by eLPresidente
Ron Paul was chairman for a KOCH thinktank, citizens for a sound economy
www.lib.ku.edu...
How did I fail?
If I were chairman of an Obama thinktank, would that not make me an Obama minion?
He's a BilderBerg minion too
edit on 25-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)
It was dissected many posts ago. Which you conveniently ignored....CONVENIENTLY.
It is quite funny how you have absolutely nothing on Ron Paul's consistency and career so you have to dig dig dig into the past and make connections that don't exist.
So here it is folks, Realspoke, the sayer of truths has it all figured out. Ron Paul is a Koch Brothers and Bilderberg minion. Don't you ever get tired of making things up. I see your fate might end up just like other Ron Paul trolls like Carseller4, Outkast Searcher, and the like.
Whats next? Ron Paul is a libertarian communist!? lmao!edit on 25-9-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by RealSpoke
Not surprised you didn't respond to about 90% of my post, especially the points directly contradicting your wild accusations. But of course your strongest argument is that I am like an Obama supporter.
Your original links to back up your accusations were dissected and you have nothing else.
No, I never said Ron Paul has negative influence, YOU said that. Let the record show, you bend and twist things here on ATS because you have no better argument. Ron Paul's endorsements bring excitement and people like to jump on those bandwagons. This is why people on the hill want Ron Paul's endorsement.
I love how you're backtracking all over the place because you can't hold your 'wild accusations' at bay. If you're going to claim crazy things, at least hold your ground with dignity.
It is OBVIOUS how much you despise the consistency of Ron Paul,
your obsessive behavior trying to discredit libertarianism by calling it anarchism?
you spend your time on ATS OBSESSING on everything Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and even the ideas of the party that they align closest to.
Nothing you provided has any actual evidence that Ron Paul is a 'minion' for anybody and you know that,
Oh and by the way, Peter Thiel is a long time libertarian.
Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.
Sonia Arrison, the author of “100 Plus,” a book on research into life extension, first met Thiel in 2003, when she heard him give a lunch talk about the failure of the U.S. Constitution.
Thiel founded Palantir Technologies funded by the CIA's venture capital arm In-Q-Tel.[33]
Palantir Technologies, that profits from government espionage work for the CIA, FBI and other agencies, and which last year was caught organizing an illegal spy ring targeting American political opponents of the US Chamber of Commerce, including journalists, progressive activists and union leaders. (Palantir takes its name from the mystic stones used by characters in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings to spy one another.)
Originally posted by Grumble
Foreign aid pays for itself a thousand times over, unlike military spending, which just puts us deeper in a hole.