Originally posted by NeverForget
This looks legitimate.

I can tell by all the legitimate videos I've seen.

Really? Really? Because you saw something, not that indifferent than fireflies coming off of the moon....from a YouTube video and it "looks" like all of the legit videos of actual proof you have seen..you are actually considering this as the possible gospel of validation? Really?

Seriously though.


The producer of the video used either After Effects or Motion for particle effects. All they had to do was take a video of the moon and composite a layer on top of that footage. Afterwards, insert particle effect onto that layer and boom.

Particles and poorly done ones too.

Does anybody on ATS know there way around video editing/analysing software? If so, can somebody somehow verify whether this is real or not?

Threads like these are why I stopped coming to ATS regularly. Just what is the point? How is an anonymous youtube video of dots in the sky going to convince anyone it's "aliens" that was not already convinced before they even clicked the link? How can another vague dots in the sky video on youtube do anything but cause more useless arguments.

I wish people here thought scientifically. No videos should be even considered without the original source video examined and multiple witnesses of the event being displayed. And even then, if it's nothing but dots in the sky it should get an "inconclusive, could be anything" and put to rest. Instead we get people here claiming this is the "real deal" and flaming anyone who doesn't just believe any youtube video they see as "disinfo agents" yadayada.

An anonymous youtube video of dots/lights is 100% worthless, anyone can download a video editing program these days and add # like this. Or anyone can film a flock of birds or whatever else and upload it claiming it's an alien invasion. So sad stuff like this gets so much attention when it has 0 value to solving any of the mysteries out there. And it always seems to be Human Alien posting these vague youtube videos with ridiculous titles, and getting tons of stars and flags for it and never in trouble no matter how many are hoaxes, whatever, enjoy it, what a website this has become.

Many of you probably know that I do not subscribe to the aliens visiting Earth idea, and I feel that any claims made about intelligent alien life within our solar system can be shown to be erroneous with a little knowledge. Usually a possible explanation presents itself in these cases, especially with video evidence to back up the claims, because then there is actually something that can be used to show what actually happened.

In this case, I was pondering the different natural phenomena that would account for these moving bodies, but the one thing that is hindering me is the erratic movement of at least one of the individual bodies. I cannot tell where they originate from either. They obviously are not in orbit, whatever they are. But they do seem rather close to the moon, so were they in orbit, and then accelerated to escape velocity, or were they already far enough away by the time we see them?

These would have to be rocks flying through space, or debri, but as I said, they were not something that was left in the moon's orbit. I can think of no reason for any manmade junk to be in that location, and if these bodies were passing lumps of rock, why the erroneous movements? They would taking very gradual courses if they were affected by anything, and all they could be affected by is gravity. They seem to be moving extremely quickly, from what I can make out, and I am forced to conclude that I cannot find a natural explanation for what they could be.

I will not say this great proof of alien intelligence, because there is no way of proving that claim. If these do turn out to be crafts of some sort, who is to say they are alien in origin? Could they not be manmade? But first we need to get some other informed opinions in this thread, because it is possible that I am not analyzing things correctly, or may have missed something. Viewing anything in space in this manner will, and there is no doubt about it, give us the wrong impression regarding velocities and whatnot.

Originally posted by innocenttdreams
Horrible and completely pathetic assumption.

It is not an assumption.

If its fake, how is it fake? if the "how" is irrelevant for you, than conclusion such as yours is no more than irrelevant itself.

I already told you how it is fake. It is a computer generated particle-effect [as an overlay over a video].
Examples are given by other people in this thread.

Since when does "I dont know" equals nonsense? We dont care whether you FEEL this is nonsense or not.

"I don't know" does not equal nonsense. Where have I said that?
Second, I don't "FEEL" that this is nonsense. It IS nonsense.

How does he/she change camera position? Was that two different groups of "orbs"? You see them and it looks like they are coming from the back side of the moon & then camera angle changes and you can see where they leave from. I have watched 100's of UFO videos, never seen this one. I'm still trying to figure out the flag & star thing. Thanks for sharing.

It looks very much like he caught a flock of birds flying in front of the moon. The video enhancement just makes it look stranger than it really is.

Originally posted by TheLegend
How can you post so many hoax threads and not be punished for it by now?

Simple. HA has yet, to my knowledge, to hoax anything.
He simply post videos he finds for discussion.
Because other folks (like me) don't reach the same conclusions he does doesn't mean he's trying to hoax anybody.

Originally posted by darkest4
Threads like these are why I stopped coming to ATS regularly. Just what is the point? How is an anonymous youtube video of dots in the sky going to convince anyone it's "aliens" that was not already convinced before they even clicked the link? How can another vague dots in the sky video on youtube do anything but cause more useless arguments.

I wish people here thought scientifically. No videos should be even considered without the original source video examined and multiple witnesses of the event being displayed. And even then, if it's nothing but dots in the sky it should get an "inconclusive, could be anything" and put to rest. Instead we get people here claiming this is the "real deal" and flaming anyone who doesn't just believe any youtube video they see as "disinfo agents" yadayada.

An anonymous youtube video of dots/lights is 100% worthless, anyone can download a video editing program these days and add # like this. Or anyone can film a flock of birds or whatever else and upload it claiming it's an alien invasion. So sad stuff like this gets so much attention when it has 0 value to solving any of the mysteries out there. And it always seems to be Human Alien posting these vague youtube videos with ridiculous titles, and getting tons of stars and flags for it and never in trouble no matter how many are hoaxes, whatever, enjoy it, what a website this has become.

edit on 17-9-2012 by darkest4 because: (no reason given)

The truth can seem unfathomable when a lie is the fairy tale one has been living.

Take a break and turn away. Jump up and down if it makes you feel better.

We didn't write this song, we're just singing it man.

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Originally posted by tigertatzen
The reason we cannot see the "dark" side is because it DOES rotate...if it didn't, we'd be able to see it.

Precisely. It's pathetic that the people who DO understand the workings of the Solar System have to patiently and repetitively explain the basics to those who defiantly refuse to understand it.

Even during the New Moon period when the near side of the Moon is not lit by the Sun, it is faintly lit by earthshine -- by the reflected sunlight off of Earth. This effect can be seen during narrow crescent periods when the WHOLE DISC of the moon can be made out dimly. With photomultiplier circuits and long exposures, lunar surface features lit by earthshine can be made out, and they are the same features seen in the same areas during full sunlight illumination.

Just google 'earthshine' to see how it works. Better yet -- and this may baffle H_A -- go out and LOOK at the moon a day or two on either side of New Moon, to see with your own eyes.

What a novel idea.

Originally posted by subject x
Because other folks (like me) don't reach the same conclusions he does doesn't mean he's trying to hoax anybody.

Claiming falsely that the image was taken on a date near the New Moon, when it is obviously near the Full Moon, is plenty good evidence of intent to deceive. Not bothering to check an easy 'fact', but assuming his target audience is ignorant of the most basic facts of astronomy, shows contempt for the intelligence and knowledge of his target audience -- a contempt that we have seen, in some cases, is richly deserved.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by tigertatzen
The reason we cannot see the "dark" side is because it DOES rotate...if it didn't, we'd be able to see it.

Precisely. It's pathetic that the people who DO understand the workings of the Solar System have to patiently and repetitively explain the basics to those who defiantly refuse to understand it.

Even during the New Moon period when the near side of the Moon is not lit by the Sun, it is faintly lit by earthshine -- by the reflected sunlight off of Earth. This effect can be seen during narrow crescent periods when the WHOLE DISC of the moon can be made out dimly. With photomultiplier circuits and long exposures, lunar surface features lit by earthshine can be made out, and they are the same features seen in the same areas during full sunlight illumination.

From wikipideia It says that the "Dark Side of the Moon" can refer to

-the lunar hemisphere that is not lit by the sun at any particular moment in time, or

-the far side of the Moon that is permanently turned away from the Earth (although it receives approximately the same amount of light as the near side of the moon)

I always thouht the "dark side" and the "far side" refered to the same thing. Seems like some people are considering the "dark side" as the part that is not lit up. So there may be some confusion. What is your understanding?

Originally posted by roblot
Does anybody on ATS know there way around video editing/analysing software? If so, can somebody somehow verify whether this is real or not?

Didnt make it to hoax so those who can probably have funny an astral view is not same as view from here

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
I always thouht the "dark side" and the "far side" refered to the same thing. Seems like some people are considering the "dark side" as the part that is not lit up. So there may be some confusion. What is your understanding?

That was my understanding, too, with 'dark' referring to 'unknown', as in 'dark ages'.

But it seems these days that if enough people make a mistake -- like that silly 'blue moon' media flap recently -- it becomes 'usage', and gets allowed.

Dang. Why try to get things right, if the majority can make wrong things 'look' right?

Sigh.

They appear to be coming out of a light area on the moon. This could mean many openings.